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re: FSU sources: Florida State/Clemson to Big12 "inevitable"
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I hate that so many of these discussions always have some element of this idiotic UT-TAMU childish rivalary.
its like they broke up and the aggies can't get over their ex even though their new gf is hotter
so they constantly take shots at the Big12
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Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but I'd really have to hear good reasons for them to be traveling to ISU, KSU, Texas Tech, Baylor, and Kansas before I believe it
How is traveling to any of those schools worse than say traveling to UConn, Rutgers or Seton Hall?
Rutgers and Seton Hall are in the state of New York, not Iowa, Kansas, or buttfrick Texas. UCONN is a short drive from ESPN headquarters in CT. Those are unquestionably better places to play that are easier to get to IMO.
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The reasons the Big 12 makes sense for them is 2-fold. First and foremost is third tier TV rights. In the Big12 they could keep all of theirs and maybe even the TV deal with NBC, especially for OOC games.
Right, but there's a trade off somewhere. If the Big 12 reaps a real television boost by adding Notre Dame games to their broadcasting schedule then Notre Dame loses the ability to charge NBC for those games.
Yes, of course Notre Dame would profit with third tier television rights if they figured out the right distribution method... but the money is still going to be divided up multiple ways and Notre Dame would be giving up real value up front with their first/second tier rights. So the trade off is real and especially when the Big 10 already has a working model that generates more television revenue I would think ND's bottom line would be much better served in the Big 10 than the Big 12.
The talent argument is provocative (play in the Big 12 to recruit Texas and Florida) but largely unlikely to work IMO. ND does recruit nationally but when you look at where their recruits come from they still get most of them from the Northeastern quadrant of the country. Why? Because most kids from Florida and Texas have lived in parts of the country with more good weather and more co-eds dressed in fairly little. The recruiting experience for them is great if they always wanted to go to ND but if not they may be taken aback by a mostly male student body and cold weather.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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eaving out Texas, with crowds over 100K and TTU
It f'n kills me to somewhat agree with an Aggie but Longhorn crowds can be real hit or miss at times. It's much better now than it was when I was an undergrad (early 90s). better stadium that encloses the noise, fans are better now. But I've been to too many games where the crowd could be better. I don't expect that for good matchups, but our crowds for Iowa State, Kansas, leave something to be desired (we should learn a lesson after the last couple years).
let's just say Death Valley it ain't.
Tech crowds can get rowdy, especially for night games.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:09 pm to molsusports
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The most natural fit is still either the Big 10 (where a lot of their traditional rivals play and the geography works) or the Big East (which they were already part of for basketball etc and the geography still makes some sense).
-ND becomes a regional school...tied to a region with the less amount of high school talent.
-recruiting will go so south even moreso with the population shift
-B1G network will not allow ND to have their own network hence...the Big 12 will (Texas is going to have one)
-youre suggesting that games at Kansas, Iowa State, etc as being unattractive. have you ever been to a football game at Indiana??? might be lucky to get 10k in attendance...
-ND is just located in the Midwest but the school doesn't have much of a local flavor at all...majority of the kids(regular students) come from the East.
-new and improved rivilaries....already talk of a Texas/ND Thanksgiving day game as A&M will be scratched; you know how much publicity that will be??? ND/ Florida State...ND/OKlahoma...ND/Miami...
-also Big 12 has a few more private type schools, espically if they add Miami. Baylor, TCU(?) and Miami would be private institutions much like ND; Northwestern is the only private school in the B1G
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:12 pm to molsusports
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buttfrick Texas.
Horrible place.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:12 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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its like they broke up and the aggies can't get over their ex even though their new gf is
dude, I've lived in Texas for 25 years, this petty horse shite has been going for a lot longer than the last couple of years
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
Big 12 east:
FSU
Clemson
WVU
TCU(easy flight dallas)
Kstate(rival kansas)
Iowa State
There will be one Texas team in the east for recruiting, and FSU will be get OU or Texas every year(not both). With a 9 team schedule in a 12 team conference you only miss 2 teams from the other division.
Iowa State has a ton of fans. I know they have been down, but i watched a couple of their games. It is a good college football atmosphere. And they did give okie state their only loss last year and got Texas the year before.
And Iowa State is likely the worst team in FSU's division.
FSU
Clemson
WVU
TCU(easy flight dallas)
Kstate(rival kansas)
Iowa State
There will be one Texas team in the east for recruiting, and FSU will be get OU or Texas every year(not both). With a 9 team schedule in a 12 team conference you only miss 2 teams from the other division.
Iowa State has a ton of fans. I know they have been down, but i watched a couple of their games. It is a good college football atmosphere. And they did give okie state their only loss last year and got Texas the year before.
And Iowa State is likely the worst team in FSU's division.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:17 pm to rocket31
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-youre suggesting that games at Kansas, Iowa State, etc as being unattractive. have you ever been to a football game at Indiana??
Don't you think this would be like a home game for ND? Seems like this would be like when LSU plays "away" at Tulane.
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-ND becomes a regional school...tied to a region with the less amount of high school talent.
There is a lot of talent in the Northeast, Ohio, Illinois, New York/New Jersey etc.
Notre Dame is a national brand as much as any school can be - but they still get more coverage in their part of the country than opposite sides of the country.
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-ND is just located in the Midwest but the school doesn't have much of a local flavor at all...majority of the kids(regular students) come from the East.
exactly
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ND/ Florida State...ND/OKlahoma...ND/Miami...
Those are interesting games but even as someone who is not a ND fan I don't think they rise above what they have enjoyed as an independent (USC, Michigan) or would have in the Big 10 (Michigan, PSU, OSU)
and obviously Miami is not in the Big 12 as of yet and has to rebound significantly before they become a real headline event... to hear the Florida fans esp tell the story Miami's fans are terrible when it comes to support/revenue.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:18 pm to molsusports
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ND does recruit nationally but when you look at where their recruits come from they still get most of them from the Northeastern quadrant of the country. Why? Because most kids from Florida and Texas have lived in parts of the country with more good weather and more co-eds dressed in fairly little. The recruiting experience for them is great if they always wanted to go to ND but if not they may be taken aback by a mostly male student body and cold weather
wrong.
most of ND players come from CA (look up the current roster). only 8 come from the NE (two of those are Golics...ya?). also, there is an all girls school (St. Marys) located in south bend. Dayne Crist, Bennett Jackson, Tj Jones, etc all date girls from there (inb4 strong stalker accusations).
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but leaving out Texas, with crowds over 100K and TTU just smacks of Aggie bitterness.
Other than the A&M and Texas games, Texas Tech's crowd is anemic at best.
As far as Texas goes, you only have to reference the 2010 season. The best comparison in terms of the pulse of the fanbase is Colorado. 100k fans giving off 50k noise is not impressive.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:23 pm to molsusports
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Rutgers and Seton Hall are in the state of New York, not Iowa, Kansas, or buttfrick Texas. UCONN is a short drive from ESPN headquarters in CT. Those are unquestionably better places to play that are easier to get to IMO.
Seton Hall and Rutgers are in New Jersey, but the rest of your comment is nothing but pure snobbery on your part. Places like Lubbuck and Waco,will never be confused with Paris, but are none the less mid sized cities with 6 figure populations and airports. Its no harder to get to places like that than say, South Bend Indiana.
A friend of mine that grew up in Conn says Storrs, where UConn is located is pretty much BFE to people in Conn fwiw.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:23 pm to rocket31
Notre Dame could stop the FSU/Clemson thing if they decided to deal with the ACC (and vice-versa).
ND plus Rutgers/UConn to the ACC would cause a major renegotiation of the TV deal if ND can have its cake and eat it, too (First dibs on Tier 1 home games like they have as an Indy today).
If you're the ACC, you do it to save your conference from football irrelevance and a big merger with the Big East. The ACC can make it a member free-for-all on Tier 3 rights to satisfy FSU's financial needs (beats falling apart).
ND plus Rutgers/UConn to the ACC would cause a major renegotiation of the TV deal if ND can have its cake and eat it, too (First dibs on Tier 1 home games like they have as an Indy today).
If you're the ACC, you do it to save your conference from football irrelevance and a big merger with the Big East. The ACC can make it a member free-for-all on Tier 3 rights to satisfy FSU's financial needs (beats falling apart).
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:26 pm to molsusports
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I scanned through their recent recruiting lists and came to the opposite conclusion.
da frick? we have recruited 5 kids in 3 years from the NE. what are you looking at?
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Seton Hall and Rutgers are in New Jersey, but the rest of your comment is nothing but pure snobbery on your part. Places like Lubbuck and Waco,will never be confused with Paris, but are none the less mid sized cities with 6 figure populations and airports. Its no harder to get to places like that than say, South Bend Indiana.
Waco is about 90 minutes from the closest airports (DFW or Austin)
Lubbock is a cow town at best that reeks of manure and dust, but it has its own municipal airport. If you're driving, though, it's about 7 hours from Dallas.
Ames, IA closes down literally at 6pm on Saturday.
Manhattan, KS is next to Ft. Riley and isn't all that bad. Lawrence, KS is part of the KCMO Metro area.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Seton Hall and Rutgers are in New Jersey, but the rest of your comment is nothing but pure snobbery on your part.
I understand why it might read that way to you but I don't really have a dog in this fight. I don't have any special affinity to Iowa, Kansas, Texas, New York/New Jersey, CT
For purely financial reasons it is just more advantageous to play a bad team from a populated part of the country than it is to play a bad team from a less populated part of the country.
And I agree it is hard to get to say Notre Dame or PSU... but having made the trip at least you are at ND or PSU... not ISU or KSU or Texas Tech
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:35 pm to rocket31
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Notre Dame could stop the FSU/Clemson thing if they decided to deal with the ACC (and vice-versa).
decent article on that:
LINK
It's the obvious move for ND. They could always join the B1G but that means they will likely never be a football powerhouse again. The ACC offers that potential (recruiting) while aligning them with schools with which they much more identify (BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami are good fits).
I don't think Penn State leaves the B1G, but that does not have to happen for this scenario to happen.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Kansas actually has a national championship in a major sport in the modern era.
I guess we all hallucinated those basketball titles for NCSU and Maryland.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 2:44 pm to rocket31
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da frick? we have recruited 5 kids in 3 years from the NE. what are you looking at?
A lot of midwestern and northeastern kids with a sprinkling of others from random parts of the country. When you consider how many great players come out of CA, FL, and Texas I was struck that a team like ND that has such a reputation for recruiting nationally still had a lot of kids from OH, IL, IN, NC...
Four or Five Stars recently:
2013:
Bivin - Kentucky
Elmer - Michigan
Montelus - MA
Zaire - OH
Heurman - Florida
2012:
Day - Indiana
Jones - NY
Kiel - IN
Mahone - OH
Neal - AZ
Russell - WA
Shephard - CA
Shumate - NJ
Stanley - NV
2011:
Atkinson - CA
Councell - NC
Daniels - IL
Hardy - OH
Hegarty - NM
Koyack - PA
Lynch - FL
Nicklas - CA
Tuitt - GA
Williams - NY
2010:
Hendrix - OH
James - OH
Jones - GA
Lombard - IL
Moore - NC
Nix - FL
Roberson - CA
Shembo - NC
Spond - CO
Welch - OH
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