NOLAeer

To answer a few questions.

Not based on a punch-based on a punch when he was already on thin ice for sexual assault of a 14 year old.

Look at what patterson has done with almost no talent in the Mountain West-beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl, beaten OU in Norman, Clemson in Death valley.

He has done a lot with a shoestring.

LSU is an elite college brand. A top 10 brand. La. has elite talent all over the place-and every kid here grows up wanting to play for LSU.

You dont have to forego discipline to win a national title here. La. has more talent than the state of Alabama and it isnt close. In fact it didnt take Saban long at LSU to win a title.

And he is demanding and disciplined. In fact WVU-my favorite team-has a player Saban booted off his team. WVU has to take those kings of chances to try and keep up with the LSU's, Texas, and Bama's, but LSU does not(or should not) have to.

Ive lived in new orleans over 30 years and follow lsu closely. Pull for them except on the rare occasion they play WVU. But im not a fan of how Miles handled this and it reeks of win at all costs.

Miles is paid huge to win. and at LSU with the talent that falls in his lap it isnt that hard.

Ohio State is a joke. They'd finish 5th in SEC. The only one who can argue with a straight face they had a shot at Bama was Aggies.

big 12 teams cant be poached for 13 years.

They all locked themselves in with a GOR with most recent TV deal.

Bama is good, but Ark is one of the worst football teams ive seen. How anyone could have ranked them in the top 10 is a true mystery. As bad as ranking Meechigan in top 10.

The saints got cheap.

They didnt need to fir Payton, but they should have hired a legitimate Head Coach for this season. There is a reason teams do well under good head coaches, and poorly under others.

Saban has proved that coaches are not just figureheads. Look at arkansas. Pros are no different.

even though i am a wvu fan in football, i follow LSU a bit in baseball(live in new orleans). I dont recall them being this weak with bat much in the past.

guys starting with poor batting averages. That is not typical of a top LSU team. LSU does have good pitching.

I do think the ACC survives. But Terps will jump at a Big 1G offer, as will GT.

ACC Final:

UNC, Duke, WF, BC, Rutgers, Uconn, Cinn, Miami, UVA, Cuse, Pitt, Tulane.

There is some potential if Canes ever rise from the ashes, or UNC or UVA make a move in football. But they will clearly be 5th in the BCS conferences. A distant 5th.

Big 12 east:

FSU
Clemson
WVU
TCU(easy flight dallas)
Kstate(rival kansas)
Iowa State

There will be one Texas team in the east for recruiting, and FSU will be get OU or Texas every year(not both). With a 9 team schedule in a 12 team conference you only miss 2 teams from the other division.

Iowa State has a ton of fans. I know they have been down, but i watched a couple of their games. It is a good college football atmosphere. And they did give okie state their only loss last year and got Texas the year before.

And Iowa State is likely the worst team in FSU's division.

While I think that is true(FSU/Clemson) would prefer SEC, they may get the best of both worlds with Big 12.

More money and a winnable schedule and SEC team scheduling. Say the SEC did add Clemson and FSU. How is that going to help them, or any current SEC team win a national title?

SEC is a tough road to hoe. While WVU wanted in the SEC, I think the Big 12 may be better for WVU
because the schedule is so brutal in the SEC.

In the Big 12 there are elite teams, but there are not a roster of them to slug through. One possible reason for Tenn's and Uga's relative decline is a conference can have only so many top teams. Then they cannibalize each other.

Why should the SEC be hasty?

If the Big 12 takes 2(FSU/Clemson), or 4 FSU/Clemson/VT/Louisville that would gut the ACC.

That may make UNC/UVA available. shrug. UNC is a much bigger prize than nc state.

And if the big 10 took 2 Maryland and GT, you could rest assured at that point it would be every school for itself as no one would want to be left in BE II.

But I doubt VT would go to the Big 12 initially anyway. Not until the sec said no or the acc lost a lot more than just FSU and clemson. So i am not sure slive "settles" for nc state without waiting for UNC at least a year.

UVA is going to big 10. No way it would ever go SEC. And UVA would be snapped up by the Big 10 in a heartbeat, ahead of Terps and GT. To the big 10
prizes are ND UNC/UVA md/gt.

Duke would give up football before being in the same conference as Ole Miss and Miss state.

I think we should have gone outside the organization and brought someone good in.

Brees doesnt have many years left. the head coach is not a figurehead. Parcells or someone of his quality would have been a smart move.

I wonder if Benson didnt want to foot the bill for it?

LINK

I wish mizzou and aggies success in the SEC. I have no bone to pick with them. Not a fan, but dont dislike them either.

That said, I do think the Big 12 is as strong as it has ever been. Okie state is better, and regardless of what most think of WVU/TCU they are at a min top 25 teams.

If FSU and clemson are added, it will be 2nd only to the SEC in power. And some years, if WVU/TCU prove the doubters wrong and do well in the Big 12, it may be as good as the sec top to bottom.

I doubt anyone will ever have the top teams the SEC has. SEC has too many elite teams. Tenn, Uga, are sleeping giants.

And if florida isnt in top 10 soon, i bet the gators call charlie strong home.

WVU had a 1st year head coach last year. and still had stew's defensive staff(now gone). WVU will continue to get better over the next few years. More money, and better coaching. WVU is diehard about its football.

You are right Mizzou fan-getting to the BCS through the BE was not that hard, but it is what WVU did when it got there that was significant.

They beat the SEC Champs, Big 12 champs and laid 70 points on the ACC champs.

We had a bad coach for 3 years(between RROD and DH).
Even during those bad year we were ranked 2 of the 3 years. RROD's last 3 years were all top 10 finishes.

Besides the BE slate WVU has played an SEC West team each of the past 6 years. going 3-1 until we ran into LSU.

WVU is no LSU. No one is arguing WVU is elite. But in football of late(for Huskers) we are better than anything the Big 12 lost. WVU does not have Notre Dame's market. or Mizzou's. and of course not even mizzou is worth a footprint in texas.

SEC was looking at market, not the quality of football or they would not have passed on FSU to take either Mizzou or aggies.

Anyone that would take Pitt over WVU is insane. They have beaten WVU 8 times the last quarter century, and WVU delivers a portion of the Pittsburgh market. WVU has beaten rutgers 17 straight times, but apparently the ACC would take them over WVU too. is there any wonder their conference sucks?

Without reading 15 pages of threads, here is what I KNOW:

1. Big 12 members have each signed a 13 year GOR with the new TV contract. Texas, OU, and no one else is going anywhere for a long time.

2. The ACC's new TV deal, which includes a ccg and all 3 tiers, had no GOR's. So they are raidable, if they want to pay a 20 million dollar exit fee.

3. FSU, according to Yahoo sports, is conducting internal discussions exploring how much they would
make from a network like texas has. Does not mean they are going anywhere, but they cut 2.5 million from their athletic budget because of a shortfall. they need cash.

4. neither FSU or Clemson was thrilled with adding 2 basketball schools in the recent ACC expansion, which was done to placate UNC and Duke.

5. Highly likely FSU and Clemson would prefer SEC to Big 12 because of geography.

6. Big 12's tv deal has built in incentives if they add the right 2 teams to get to 12. That of course also triggers a ccg.

I think the SEC would prefer VT/NC state to FSU/Clemson because it opens new markets(speculation on my part). But in the unlikely event FSU/Clemson jump, there would be blood in the water.

As long as WVU anchors the BE it will be an AQ conference. Just because WVU had 3 down years under Stew, will not affect WVU going forward. It has 3 more years to rebuild its resume from a top 25 team, to a top 10 team.

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As far as strength of the football members is concerned, Boise State would seem a must-have for the league. If the Broncos, who are currently No. 5 in the AP poll, became members, it would give the league at least two perennial Top 25 programs. West Virginia has been ranked in the AP Top 25 at some point every season since 2002 and in 20 of the last 24 seasons. Boise State has been ranked every season since 2002, including 48 weeks in the Top 10.