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re: FSU sources: Florida State/Clemson to Big12 "inevitable"
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:32 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:32 am to TIGERSandFROGS
I don't believe those fans would want to move to the Big12 if the dollars were equal...
But when those fans see their favorite school getting $17mil per year and other big-time schools getting $25mil+ per year, they begin to wonder if they will soon be left behind to rot in a dying conference, which no one wants to happen to their favorite program.
But when those fans see their favorite school getting $17mil per year and other big-time schools getting $25mil+ per year, they begin to wonder if they will soon be left behind to rot in a dying conference, which no one wants to happen to their favorite program.
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Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:33 am to TIGERSandFROGS
Polls on their fan sites will like going to the Big 12 a lot more than staying with a watered down ACC, but I am guessing deep down they would prefer the SEC because of the geography, and the history between them and the SEC.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:35 am to Chicken
No question, FSU/Clemson/GaTech would jump at an SEC offer.....but that's an offer that will never come, and I think most fans have finally come to that realization...leaving only 2 options: stay in the ACC and continue falling behind Florida/USC/Georgia....or jump to the Big12 and at least try to change the status quo and keep up with the Jones's.
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 9:37 am
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:36 am to Chicken
But the SEC isn't an option for either team and they know it. Clemson fans holding out for an SEC bid is like the GOP holding out to nominate Ronald Reagan. It's not possible.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:41 am to Chicken
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yeah, not sure when ND would actually make their move...seems like a bad idea for them, as I think they will lose some of their identity by joining a conference in football.
But I don't think they have a chance, and while the Big 10 makes more sense geographically, joining the Big 12 makes more sense from an exposure/recruiting standpoint
a conference with southeast exposure and Texas exposure is a recruiting dream; keep the CA games (USC/Stanford) along with the midwest/east coast exposure and ND will still have everything covered.
eventually they will have to do something for the olympic sports because the Big East is on the verge of going down...
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 9:43 am
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:43 am to JPLSU1981
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I don't believe those fans would want to move to the Big12 if the dollars were equal
I'm sure their fans would rather be in the SEC, but what excitment is there in the ACC even if the money was equal. Having a conference with teams that are not in bordering states is odd, but the Big12 at least offers some more passionate football fans. Texas, OU and OSU add way more than VT, UNC and......
If they play 9 conference games though, will be brutal for FSU to play Florida and Miami OOC.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:43 am to JPLSU1981
While I think that is true(FSU/Clemson) would prefer SEC, they may get the best of both worlds with Big 12.
More money and a winnable schedule and SEC team scheduling. Say the SEC did add Clemson and FSU. How is that going to help them, or any current SEC team win a national title?
SEC is a tough road to hoe. While WVU wanted in the SEC, I think the Big 12 may be better for WVU
because the schedule is so brutal in the SEC.
In the Big 12 there are elite teams, but there are not a roster of them to slug through. One possible reason for Tenn's and Uga's relative decline is a conference can have only so many top teams. Then they cannibalize each other.
More money and a winnable schedule and SEC team scheduling. Say the SEC did add Clemson and FSU. How is that going to help them, or any current SEC team win a national title?
SEC is a tough road to hoe. While WVU wanted in the SEC, I think the Big 12 may be better for WVU
because the schedule is so brutal in the SEC.
In the Big 12 there are elite teams, but there are not a roster of them to slug through. One possible reason for Tenn's and Uga's relative decline is a conference can have only so many top teams. Then they cannibalize each other.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:55 am to NOLAeer
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Say the SEC did add Clemson and FSU. How is that going to help them, or any current SEC team win a national title?
Well for starters the SEC teams would not be playing all 15 of the other teams. While I guess see why people think it is harder to win it all from a tougher conference. I would have thought the last 6 years would have disproven that.
Bama last year for example did not play UGA or USCe. so of the 5 best teams in the SEC, they were 1-1 against the other 4. You don't play history, you play a team that year. 2011 Florida is very different that 2008, 2009 Florida.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:57 am to NOLAeer
quote:I agree about the money, but more winnable? That is a stretch...neither could do much in the ACC in recent years...doubt they will fare better in a much tougher conference.
More money and a winnable schedule
And from a recruiting standpoint, I am not sure playing in the Big 12 helps them...
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:58 am to Chicken
Notre Dame should join the Big 10, they play Big 10 teams all the time, and the Big 10/Pac-12 agreement will protect their rivalries with USC and Stanford.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 9:59 am to NonregAg09
ND has more to gain by playing outside the Midwest...
Posted on 5/21/12 at 10:05 am to Chicken
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could do much in the ACC in recent years...doubt they will fare better in a much tougher conference
this is something else that sort of sounds logical, but really isn't. FSU has been in a funk, but maybe they are playing down to the level of competition? Maybe its coaching or the talent level is not quite there.
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from a recruiting standpoint, I am not sure playing in the Big 12 helps them
Perhaps some player not excited about playing ACC is more interested in playing teams like Texas, OU, OSU etc. Also opens up more players in Texas. Won't really hurt them.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 11:26 am to Chicken
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I should have been clear...my source just said that ND was going to the Big 12, and that FSU, Clemson and a third team (likely GA Tech) would follow.
This is a huge deal, not from the level of competition, but from the revenue generating side of things.
Long term if FSU, CU, ND and GT are added, the Big 12 can potentially rival if not surpass the SEC in revenue generation. People can beat their chest all they want about the quality of the talent in the SE, but revenue has a better correlation with success than location. At some point the Big 12 will become a problem.
Love to see the ACC take it on the nose and to see that there is a back room deal with Slive for the B12 to keep their hands off of VT and NCS, but this could easily spell doom for the golden years of the SEC.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 11:53 am to rocket31
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i don't think there ever will be big 4 super conferences
You don't think the Pac 12, Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 with permanent alliance matchups with each other constitutes such an advantage as to make them significantly more powerful than any other conference?
Posted on 5/21/12 at 11:55 am to laxtonto
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People can beat their chest all they want about the quality of the talent in the SE, but revenue has a better correlation with success than location
You are sort of right, but you are looking at it as a zero sum game which is wrong. SEC revenues are not going down any differences are marginally higher. The B1G makes more reveune now, but talent matters and the most talent is in the SE. As long as HS programs across the SE and football remains the top sport, the most talent will remain in the SE.
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this could easily spell doom for the golden years of the SEC.
clearly the SEC teams will not win NC forever. However, the new Big 12 will not make 4 times the revenue as the SEC. As long as SEC teams keep putting their revenue into football, hiring top flight coaches and a large chunk of talent remains in the SE, the SEC will reamin the best conference as its always been.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 11:59 am to Chicken
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And from a recruiting standpoint, I am not sure playing in the Big 12 helps them...
They get to play UT and OU. I think that is a better selling point then having to play Duke, UNC, or someone else in the ACC.
That being said..it'll be hard to get kids to want to play in the B12 when they live in SEC/ACC country.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 12:01 pm to CajunFootball
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That being said..it'll be hard to get kids to want to play in the B12 when they live in SEC/ACC country.
and why is that? FSU and Clemson will still be in Florida and So Car respectively.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 12:06 pm to laxtonto
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Long term if FSU, CU, ND and GT are added, the Big 12 can potentially rival if not surpass the SEC in revenue generation.
You can add Notre Dame to any conference and massively increase that conference's profitability;.
I guess anything is possible but ND going anywhere other than the Big 10 or Big East seems like a major reach... and they'd obviously simply prefer to remain independent seeing as it is a core part of their football identity
Posted on 5/21/12 at 12:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
FSU is never going to have problems getting talent. WVU recruits Florida well even from the BE. FSU is IN the state of Florida. Half of their games or more will be at home. They will still have the Gators and Clemson.
Adding Texas and OU will HELP recruiting. I doubt Florida kids will miss trips to North Carolina, or Boston, or Pitt, or syracuse NY. At least when they travel Texas, OU, and most of the Big 12 will have wild football crowds and good teams to greet them. Not empty stadiums.
Adding Texas and OU will HELP recruiting. I doubt Florida kids will miss trips to North Carolina, or Boston, or Pitt, or syracuse NY. At least when they travel Texas, OU, and most of the Big 12 will have wild football crowds and good teams to greet them. Not empty stadiums.
Posted on 5/21/12 at 12:07 pm to molsusports
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but ND going anywhere other than the Big 10 or Big East seems like a major reach.
those two are the least possible actually.
its pretty much:
1. independent
2a. Big12
2b. save ACC
This post was edited on 5/21/12 at 12:08 pm
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