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re: Rumors about Peyton Manning
Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:36 pm to JG77056
Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:36 pm to JG77056
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Schaub's not gonna let someone just come in and take his job? Ask Steve DeBerg how that works when that someone is a Hall of Famer 5 years after he retires. Like I said, if he doesn't like it he can be traded. Schaub is a good QB, but this system can turn any QB into a good QB. I like the guy, but he's replaceable.
Im done making the point that is obviously going over your head.
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You seem scared bro
no, if the Patriots can win the AFC with the thing we called a defense last year, im not worried at all about the next couple years when we improve on that side of the ball Ill take having a HOF QB with a ton of young talent, ton of draft picks, and a ton of cap space.
:RandyMossLetsDoThis:
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 8:41 pm
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Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The Texans do not need a QB.
I'm glad most of these people aren't the GM of the texans, I'd say Rick smith has done a pretty good job putting a team on the field, the one thing we needed was a defense and he went and got wade Phillips, a healthy Schaub and this team is a sure fire contender
Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:48 pm to wildtigercat93
It's not going over my head, it's just your opinion. I have a different opinion. They wouldn't sign a broken Peyton Manning, and if you'd rather have Matt Schaub than a healthy Peyton Manning you're not very bright. Especially a Peyton Manning on the cheap cap-wise which would allow you to pay some free agents.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 8:49 pm to JG77056
Pay me Rick
Posted on 2/14/12 at 9:00 pm to JG77056
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They wouldn't sign a broken Peyton Manning
If it wasn't a broken Peyton Manning, he would not be available, why this extremely important detail sail over so many heads?
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and if you'd rather have Matt Schaub than a healthy Peyton Manning you're not very bright.
Its not very bright to treat real world football like Madden or Fantasy FB.
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Especially a Peyton Manning on the cheap cap-wise which would allow you to pay some free agents.
Do you get the only reason he'd be cheap is because there is uncertainty about his health? Do you not get that if he did turn into the P Manning you expect, he won't be cheap anymore? Do you realize there would be cap issues with getting rid of Schaub? Do you realize that the season doesn't start until Sept, while free agency and the draft are way before that? Maybe you haven't noticed but good free agents are signed long before training cap (last year was an exception because there was a lockout). What the frick would you genius if he can't go? What free agents do you think you can sign in August. There is no way you can tell in the next 2 months if he will be able to play at a high level. And there is now way in really football you could wait until August to trade or cut Schaub. He's a top 10 QB, not some unproven scrub like Kellon Moore or Tavaris Jackson.
Go back and build your Madden team.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 9:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If it wasn't a broken Peyton Manning, he would not be available, why this extremely important detail sail over so many heads?
Because it's wrong. The Colts are drafting Luck because it's the smart thing to do for the future of the team. They think he's the next Peyton Manning and can have him for 15 years or Peyton for maybe 3. It's smart.
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Its not very bright to treat real world football like Madden or Fantasy FB.
I don't play Madden or fantasy FB.
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Do you get the only reason he'd be cheap is because there is uncertainty about his health?
Not Matt Schaub though, that guy's the picture of health year in year out.
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Do you not get that if he did turn into the P Manning you expect, he won't be cheap anymore? Do you realize there would be cap issues with getting rid of Schaub?
Why not? He wants to sign an incentive laden deal, which wouldn't affect the cap if he's just hitting incentives. The cap would be affected if he wanted a bunch of guaranteed money. Do you know how the salary cap works?
And if you trade Schaub you don't take any cap hits. I'm not talking about cutting him outright.
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Maybe you haven't noticed but good free agents are signed long before training cap (last year was an exception because there was a lockout).
You're right, now that I think of it, guys near the end of their career who are Hall of Famers usually do sign early. I remember all those summers of knowing exactly where Brett Favre was going to play because he was already locked up for the following season. It's not like QBs to wait and sit out as much of the pre season as they can.
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What the frick would you genius if he can't go?
Not sign him? Did you not read before how I said nobody was going to sign him without knowing he can go? Go re-read over that again.
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Go back and build your Madden team.
It's funny how one of us has spoken to the Texans Management before and knows the players involved in this story, one of us hasn't and doesn't, but the one who hasn't and doesn't thinks he's an authoritarian on the subject.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 9:41 pm to JG77056
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It's not going over my head, it's just your opinion. I have a different opinion. They wouldn't sign a broken Peyton Manning, and if you'd rather have Matt Schaub than a healthy Peyton Manning you're not very bright. Especially a Peyton Manning on the cheap cap-wise which would allow you to pay some free agents.
I never said that. Ever. You again are missing my point
You cant have both Manning and have Schaub riding the bench and comeback in a couple years.
That video game GMing your doing is fricking stupid and thats what im saying. Im not saying tey shouldnt get Manning, im not saying they should replace or keep Schaub either. All im saying is that if you bring in Manning you better know hes healthy and will stay that way because youre going to have to sell out get him and your going to have to get rid of Schaub
ETA and please stop acting like Peyton is signing somewhere "cheap". If hes healthy, hell get a big contract. If hes not, hell retire
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 9:45 pm to Duckman13
Why would the Texans do that? Schaub's a top 10 QB and there are a ton of questions about Manning's health. It would be a completely needless risk to take.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 10:43 pm to JG77056
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Because it's wrong. The Colts are drafting Luck because it's the smart thing to do for the future of the team. They think he's the next Peyton Manning and can have him for 15 years or Peyton for maybe 3. It's smart.
They are only getting Luck because Manning is hurt Einstien.
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Not Matt Schaub though, that guy's the picture of health year in year out.
MS is 30 coming off a freak foot injury, Manning is about to be 36, coming off neck surgery, dude hasn't throw a football in a year, there is no way to know if he will have the save velocity on his throws. Its a total different level of concern, you zero sum thinkers are just letting your hate of Schaub blind you.
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Why not? He wants to sign an incentive laden deal, which wouldn't affect the cap if he's just hitting incentives. The cap would be affected if he wanted a bunch of guaranteed money. Do you know how the salary cap works?
Yes, I understand how it works, you on the other hand do not.
And even if the LTBE incentives did not count against the cap, what in the larry frick makes you think P Manning would agree a minimum base salary for 2 years? He's was scheduled to make 28M, the only reason he's willing to do incentives this year is because there are legit concerns he might not be able to play. If you sign him for 1 year of incentives and he plays well, do you think he's just gonna take the same deal again for 2013? Did it occur to you that if he did break out in 2012 and was a free agent again in 2013 that there might be other teams bidding? offering guaranteed money? The Texans have a vey young team, its not like a 1 year and bust. The bottom line is you are not going to get old Peyton Manning production for cheap for more than 1 year.
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You're right, now that I think of it, guys near the end of their career who are Hall of Famers usually do sign early. I remember all those summers of knowing exactly where Brett Favre was going to play because he was already locked up for the following season. It's not like QBs to wait and sit out as much of the pre season as they can
Really, that's all you got. Brett Farve? You said the money saved by giving Manning incentives and trading Schaub would leave the Texans money to sign free agents, so other than Favre, what big name free agents sign in training camp? The only ones you are gonna come up with are old, stars at the end of their career, like Favre. That's not what the Texans need.
ETA: the teams Favre came back too desperately needed QB's. Remember GB told him to pound sand in favor of an UNPROVEN QB. Schaub is proven in this league. If we get to the summer and Manning is still available AND Schaub's injury is not healed, then get back to me, but before then its not worth the risk.
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Not sign him? Did you not read before how I said nobody was going to sign him without knowing he can go? Go re-read over that again.
But the part you keep ignoring is you won't know if he can really go until the end of the preseason. You can't keep a guy like Matt Schaub sitting around in limbo as an insurance policy. You can't trade him for anything that can help you that late. In case you haven't notices, player for player trades are rare, usually its players for draft picks. What good are draft picks gonna do you in August? You'd have to make these moves well before camp and there is no way to know if Manning will be ready by the draft, its too much of a risk. It is simply not possible or practical to bring in P Manning, wait thru the summer to see if he can go and then if he can, get rid of Schaub, if not keep Schaub. That just won't work in the real world, thats a fantasy/madden rule, whether you've played them or not is irrelevant. It would not work.
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It's funny how one of us has spoken to the Texans Management before and knows the players involved in this story, one of us hasn't and doesn't, but the one who hasn't and doesn't thinks he's an authoritarian on the subject.
I can read and know how the league works, something you don't seem to grasp to well. Call Kubes or Rick Smith since you are so tight and propose your scenario and see who is closer to being right out of me and you.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 10:44 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan
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Why would the Texans do that? Schaub's a top 10 QB and there are a ton of questions about Manning's health. It would be a completely needless risk to take.
Because some idiots can't distinguish between the real world and Fantasy Football and the hate Matt Schaub.
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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the hate Matt Schaub.
I don't really get why people don't think he is a capable QB, the guy led the league in passing 3 years ago. He was playing good last year before the injury. We were 7-3 for fricks sake
And to the guy that said he wasn't a leader, where in the Hell did you draw that assumption from? Becasue he isn't in the media ripping players, or spouting off about nothing.
Schaub is easily in the 7-10 range of QBs in the NFL, bottomline is that if he is healthy he will be the starter, and even if he is not, who's to say yates can't improve on his performance from last year considering he didnt even suit up for a game before the schaub injury.
This post was edited on 2/14/12 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:22 pm to Rex Manning
as a closet texans fan, not a fan of matt schaub, I would love this idea
Posted on 2/14/12 at 11:35 pm to texastiger38
Well,he'd get voted for Jebus here in TN if he wanted to come back & play.
Even though I'm compelled to root against his NFL team I hope like hell he can come back physically AND mentally.He'll probably get blitzed like England to test his confidence in that surgery.
As far as Schaub,I've liked him since college and think he's a very capable QB.If Houston can keep playing great D and and running the ball he'll be just fine (see Trent Dilfer).
Even though I'm compelled to root against his NFL team I hope like hell he can come back physically AND mentally.He'll probably get blitzed like England to test his confidence in that surgery.
As far as Schaub,I've liked him since college and think he's a very capable QB.If Houston can keep playing great D and and running the ball he'll be just fine (see Trent Dilfer).
Posted on 2/15/12 at 5:10 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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just like how guys got butt hurt in NY and minny over favre, right? peyton is a likable guy, and can win over a locker room. ultimately, winning trumps all and winning big is what peyton wants and all those guys in the locker room want
Neither of these teams had a decent QB.
Posted on 2/15/12 at 5:16 am to Jcorye1
Holy shite there are some idiots in this thread. Why would you throw away a legit good QB on the roll of a dice, that even if it comes up great, you're replacing him at most two years later. Also, your entire offense is predicated on Matt Schaub, not Peyton Manning. It would have to be changed to what Peyton can run, this involves everything from offensive linemen to WRs.
Posted on 2/15/12 at 6:03 am to Jcorye1
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It would have to be changed to what Peyton can run, this involves everything from offensive linemen to WRs.
Good point. People will just say "Peyton is Peyton" but they forget 10 other guys have to change what they do to fit Peytons offense, because Manning isnt change
This post was edited on 2/15/12 at 6:09 am
Posted on 2/15/12 at 6:54 am to wildtigercat93
Right state...wrong team. Peyton to DALLAS!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 2/15/12 at 6:56 am
Posted on 2/15/12 at 7:19 am to Crow Pie
Tampa has decided to roll over their unused cap space, which now gives them about 60 million to work with this year. They have announced that they are going to be very active in FA...
Posted on 2/15/12 at 8:09 am to Sophandros
Been saying this from the get go, if he is fit to play, he WILL be a Redskin. They just need to bring Saturday with him and sign a no.1 receiver which Shanahan has said they're targeting. They'll have the fifth most cap space I believe. Bruce Allen has done an amazing job of revamping the roster. They just need to shore up the oline and secondary, grab a stud at Qb and sign a no.1 wr.
Posted on 2/15/12 at 8:32 am to UnluckyTiger
The Indigenous Persons have 13.6 million in cap space from 2011 that they can roll over to 2012. That would give them about 24-26 million in room for this year, before making any cuts.
This also makes a lot more sense than Houston.
ETA: Here's the list of teams' cap space: LINK /
This also makes a lot more sense than Houston.
ETA: Here's the list of teams' cap space: LINK /
This post was edited on 2/15/12 at 8:33 am
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