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re: 3rd party witness confirms Jefferson and Johns involvment...
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:12 pm to bmy
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:12 pm to bmy
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Even if JJ was the one responsible for cracking this dudes vertebrae (again, usually not a serious injury) he'll most likely have charges reduced to simple battery, be on probation, hit up some community service, etc. Hell, he may have to pay a fine/medical bills.
I'm not arguing that at all.
I think that since he has no criminal history, that is a very likely scenario. But, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:12 pm to moneyg
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A gunshot wound that glances a shoulder muscle may not be serious either. But, the act of firing a weapon is serious.
Yes, it is. It's also entirely unrelated to the charge of 2nd degree battery.
quote:
If the accusations are true, JJ was kicking stomping a guy on the ground to the point where 3 vertebrae were fractured. That's enough for a 2nd degree charge. That's enough for a serious suspension.
It's definitely enough for a suspension. It's not enough for a conviction of 2nd degree battery.
If JJ fricked the dudes eye up, gave him a severe concussion, etc. Those are 2nd degree battery type injuries. A cracked vertebrae isn't. A cracked rib isn't. A broken finger isn't.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:12 pm to LSUdm21
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Yes. Problem is, and here's a little "inside info" if you will, this 3rd part witness was a female athletic trainer that was there with Lowery's friends.
Then *clearly* she isn't a 3rd party witness.
What about the bouncers that say that JJ stayed away?
Why haven't the "victims" names been released and drug through the mud?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:13 pm to moneyg
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I'm not arguing that at all.
I think that since he has no criminal history, that is a very likely scenario. But, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Combine that with the fact that it is a stretch to include the injuries inflicted with those listed for 2nd degree battery.. and there you go.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:13 pm to TheWhizzinator
AFter reading the actual police report How the hell does a girl know what josh johns look like? I dont know what Josh johns looks like....and if she does how does she not know what the other players look like
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:13 pm to ThaKaptin
quote:I think that people are confusing vertibral fractures with spinal cord injuries. They are not the same thing.
I had multiple vertebra injuries and have had them for 14 years. I play basketball every week, do manual labor lifting everything from 50 pound bags of feed to 100 pound railroad ties. I drive a bumpy arse jeep through the woods and over rocks and all sorts of terrain.
If you fracture a vertebra and damage your spinal cord you could have serious, life-long health consequences.
If you have a fracture to a dorsal spinous process (part of your vertebra) you'll have a pretty sore back for a while.
Vertebral fracture does not necessarilly mean spinal cord injury.
ETA: I am not condoning this. If JJ kicked this dude and caused vertebral fractures IMO he should be kicked off of the team.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:14 pm to Adam Banks
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AFter reading the actual police report How the hell does a girl know what josh johns look like? I dont know what Josh johns looks like....and if she does how does she not know what the other players look like
Context clues.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:14 pm to TheWhizzinator
Actually, the title to this thread is wrong. The woman in question is not a 3rd party witness. She gave her testimony to a RESPONDING officer. This means she gave her testimony at the scene of the fight. Sgt Stone said yesterday that they did not yet have any 3rd party witnesses. This is not new information. She was obviously connected to the injured participants in some matter. The fact that we are hearing about her statement now...does not make it new.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:14 pm to DEANintheYAY
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Why haven't the "victims" names been released and drug through the mud?
Client confidentiality? Idk.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:14 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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Vertebral fracture does not necessarilly mean spinal cord injury.
Thank you. You can be damn sure he wouldn't have been at the hospital for a frickin hour if he had a spinal cord injury too.
Anecdotal evidence sure -- but it's pretty obvious.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:15 pm to DEANintheYAY
quote:You just asked and answered your own question.
Why haven't the "victims" names been released and drug through the mud?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:15 pm to TigerInBamaLand
just read the police report in the other thread. man there is a witness who is adamant that She saw Jefferson beating and kicking the man in the face and also swears at least 10-15 football players were in on the beating. Didn't know their names but said she could identify them by picture if needed.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:15 pm to ThaKaptin
I think everyone arguing over vertebrate is missing the point. The fact is JJ is being accused of injuring another person by kicking them when he was down and defenseless. THAT IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED. The extent of the injury is a moot point. The existence of the injury is enough to get the ball rolling.
Using some of the logic above, a person who shoots at another defenseles person and MISSES should not be charged with attempted murder.
Using some of the logic above, a person who shoots at another defenseles person and MISSES should not be charged with attempted murder.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:16 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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I think that people are confusing vertibral fractures with spinal cord injuries. They are not the same thing.
Spinal cord:
Cervical
Thoracic
Lumbar
Sacral
All bad to fracture, but c-spine injury is what makes people paralyzed/dead.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:16 pm to Cadello
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Allegedly some girl...
Yes, Liz something. Taylor, Berkley, Hurley. Maybe it was Shannon Elizabeth.
It says redacted. I'd like the latest update on this chicks bank statements.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:16 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:How about a lineup like this?
Didn't know their names but said she could identify them by picture if needed.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:17 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Didn't know their names but said she could identify them by picture if needed.
skepticalhippo.jpeg
Late at night, dark, drinking, etc.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:17 pm to bmy
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If JJ fricked the dudes eye up, gave him a severe concussion, etc. Those are 2nd degree battery type injuries. A cracked vertebrae isn't. A cracked rib isn't. A broken finger isn't.
You think the police are going through the investigation they are going through to support a 1st degree battery charge?
I believe that you will be wrong on this point. If Jefferson is proven to have been responsible for the injuries, I think he will get a 2nd degree charge.
If they can't link him directly to the injuries, obviously that's a different story.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:19 pm to EricB
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Ok -- so now it's clear who the overly biased people on this board are. Continue to fight -- continue to lose your credibility.
They have ONE "3rd party" witness in the INITIAL report that turned out to be there with Lowery's group. Yeah, she's not biased at all.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 12:20 pm to moneyg
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You think the police are going through the investigation they are going through to support a 1st degree battery charge?
I believe that you will be wrong on this point. If Jefferson is proven to have been responsible for the injuries, I think he will get a 2nd degree charge.
And those charges, most likely, will ultimately be reduced. Unless some extremely damning evidence presents itself.. and after a week.. yeah, right.
Doesn't really matter what charges were brought against him. It just matters what he's guilty of.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 12:21 pm
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