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re: To All CFB fans regarding the NCAA
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:16 am to Zamoro10
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:16 am to Zamoro10
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I am sure a lot of people could leave the US due to inequitable legislation or they could lobby their legislature for reform...
being a united states citizen means we have certain rights protected by the constitution, and we give up others for the betterment of society
being a member of a group you choose to be a part of means that you give up even more rights, pursuant to the collectively-bargained position of all members. that is the NCAA
are there certain things that the association can't do? sure. but the members have full authority to regulate sports and punishment almost as far as they see fit. USC signed up for that regulation and potential punishment
it's not YOU that needs to enact change. if USC feels the rules need to change, they need to change the bylaws of the group they choose to associate with
This post was edited on 6/17/11 at 8:17 am
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Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:23 am to SprintFun
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A) If you want to play in the NCAA, you have to play by their rules.
B) If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
I think that their focus is on HOW the rules are enforced, not the rules themselves.
For example, if the NCAA were to say, "This action receives that punishment. PERIOD." I don't think that anyone would have a problem. The problem comes when the NCAA levies different punishments to different schools for the same infraction.
How would you feel if holding was a 15 yard penalty if you school did it, but was only a 5 yard penalty if someone else did it? Or if another school got 5 yards for a personal foul and you got 15 yards for a false start?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:24 am to Trojan Ace
quote:Then you're an idiot who has been living under a rock for 50 years. What? You thought the SEC was politcally pwoerful within the NCAA? When did that happen?
The NCAA power base is the Big 10, which surprised even me.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:25 am to Baloo
i know when has the big10 NOT run shite in the NCAA?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:26 am to Sophandros
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For example, if the NCAA were to say, "This action receives that punishment. PERIOD." I don't think that anyone would have a problem. The problem comes when the NCAA levies different punishments to different schools for the same infraction.
the thing is, the NCAA is nothing more than the grouping of schools, and its rules are nothing more than rules adopted by the schools themselves
if USC wants to "clean up" the rules, it can start a movement within the NCAA
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
I totally agree with that, and I think that the approach that the OP advocates is misguided, at best.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:30 am to Sophandros
and if mcnair wants to sue, he can sue. if he really was fricked, then he should get compensated for such
i just don't get people flipping out over "the NCAA." it's like they don't know it's nothing more than the association of schools
i just don't get people flipping out over "the NCAA." it's like they don't know it's nothing more than the association of schools
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
The OP is correct in the sense of the NCAA being totally arbitrary in its rules. I don't know why it's just now so important to look into this matter considering the NCAA has screwed many non Big Ten, non Notre Dame schools with their infractions process while protecting the Big Ten and Notre Dame.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:32 am to Govt Tide
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while protecting the Big Ten
man the big10's schools have gotten a ton of major violations the past 20 years
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:32 am to Trojan Ace
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One thing that needs to be made clear in this process is that this is not just about the University of Southern California and the sanctions levied on the Trojans.
yes it is
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sounds like sour grapes to me
bingo
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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An AmLaw 100 legal firm has been engaged and has agreed to represent this group once it has been formally established, and all filings for its status as an entity are completed.
they will gladly take your money
Not paying a dime. Senior level partners at the firm are getting involved to change a system they see as corrupt too.
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An international public relations group has also agreed to handle all media and awareness of this group once formally established.
very important for europe and latin america to get behind your cause
Not the point. They have a wide breadth of experience. They have assets that are invaluable.
A leading think tank and lobbying group has also agreed to be involved in the handling of legislative matters in regards to the mission of this group.
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they will gladly take your money
Involved again on a pro bono basis. Again their involvement is in an interest to examine a corrupt system.
The rest of your post is inane garbage, showing a very naive understanding of the lack of due process and inequality of how the NCAA works.
And to a point everyone else disputes. Directly from an SEC booster. "The SEC is the NCAA's best whore right now".
And finally NCAA infractions by conference since the 1950s.
SEC: 528
Rest of the country: 208
I have things to do. Please keep discussing.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 8:56 am to Trojan Ace
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The rest of your post is inane garbage, showing a very naive understanding of the lack of due process and inequality of how the NCAA works.
You have got to be the worst lobbyist in the world. I'm convinced!
Are y'all seriously going to attack the NCAA under the due process analysis under Chevron? Because, well, good luck with that. I understand you want to say its all "arbitrary and capricious", but you can't simply point to uneven penalties as proof of that. And the NCAA investigated USC for years, an investigation USC constantly tried to subvert, gave the school and the people plenty of opportunity to present evidence and have their case heard, and then came down with ruling. They even gave USC a long and lengthy appeal. How exactly was USC denied due process in all this?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:03 am to Trojan Ace
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Again their involvement is in an interest to examine a corrupt system.
a corrupt system that USC participates in
doesn't that make USC and every other member guilty of being corrupt?
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The rest of your post is inane garbage, showing a very naive understanding of the lack of due process and inequality of how the NCAA works.
any lack of due process ends up pointing a finger right back at USC and every other institution you claim to be supporting
the NCAA is a collection of these schools. if the NCAA is guilty, the schools are guilty of establishing the corrupt system
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And finally NCAA infractions by conference since the 1950s.
SEC: 528
Rest of the country: 208
i am not shocked at this
we love breaking the rules
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:21 am to Trojan Ace
What exactly is the "end game" here for this pro Bono power players?
Get rid of the NCAA?
Get rid of the NCAA?
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:22 am to jacks40
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Get rid of the NCAA?
yeah
force the schools to make another organization
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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And finally NCAA infractions by conference since the 1950s.
SEC: 528
Rest of the country: 208
i am not shocked at this
we love breaking the rules
We break the rules, then report them and get a tiny slap on the wrist. Other schools choose to hide them and risk it all.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:40 am to barry
i guess he was going for an "emotional" point
as if finding out the SEC has gotten in a lot of trouble would make me think the NCAA has it out for them
no, we do bad/borderline stuff. but we tend to admit it and issue legit punishment. it's not often that we cover it up and frick ourselves worse (although auburn may be doing just that)
as if finding out the SEC has gotten in a lot of trouble would make me think the NCAA has it out for them
no, we do bad/borderline stuff. but we tend to admit it and issue legit punishment. it's not often that we cover it up and frick ourselves worse (although auburn may be doing just that)
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:47 am to Trojan Ace
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Again this is not just about USC
Posted on 6/17/11 at 10:52 am to SouGent
this sounds like a bunch of criminals trying to band together to get courts to throw out the whole "jail" thing and let everyone free...
This post was edited on 6/17/11 at 10:53 am
Posted on 6/17/11 at 11:15 am to Trojan Ace
Good luck! 
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