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re: Gavin Cecchini to Ole Miss
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:42 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:42 pm to tigerfoot
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The minute he said that to my kid, I ask him to GTF out of my house.
that's what the kid alleges in the article of the first post.
The kid committed to Ole Miss for a reason. It sort of tells me that conversation may have taken place.
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Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:42 pm to ProjectP2294
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Then why are you defending him for doing it to Cecchini?
Hell they participated in it, then set terms, terms they violated.
I dont condone the arrangement, I can only identify the parties that violated the terms of the agreement.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:44 pm to Lester Earl
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that's what the kid alleges in the article of the first post.
My feeling is that if it happened that way, he would have never been a LSU commit.
The timing, known facts, and results seem to support that the kid and family played along.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 9:50 pm to tigerfoot
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I dont condone the arrangement, I can only identify the parties that violated the terms of the agreement.
that's reasonable, we just disagree on whether or not they intentionally led him on or if they took the offer because once it was really there it was too much to turn down (even if it is less than what they said they wanted), but I see where you are coming from.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 10:01 pm to tigerfoot
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The timing, known facts, and results seem to support that the kid and family played along.
or they really did make up their mind last minute to take less money.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 11:10 pm to tigerfoot
This is so completely retarded. Do you really think if Checcini had said his asking price was 1.25 million Manieri wouldn't have signed him? Of course he would have.
Do you really not think Manieri helped (or at least tried) to talk his asking price up to what it was? "You know Garin you're really worth more. You should hold out for more". Of course he did.
Have a back up plan like every other college coach in the country.
If you take someone that is worth a million dollars or more, guess what, don't be surprised if they go pro. Someone pass that memo to PM and everyone would be a lot happier.
Do you really not think Manieri helped (or at least tried) to talk his asking price up to what it was? "You know Garin you're really worth more. You should hold out for more". Of course he did.
Have a back up plan like every other college coach in the country.
If you take someone that is worth a million dollars or more, guess what, don't be surprised if they go pro. Someone pass that memo to PM and everyone would be a lot happier.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 11:24 pm to ColonelReb
you need to go away.
you cant have backup plans for everyone now days with the roster limits.
you cant have backup plans for everyone now days with the roster limits.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 11:35 pm to G4LSU
Isn't the Cecchini dad heavily involved with the Barbe program? It's just as likely that he is stonewalling Maineri and telling him not to bother with Barbe anymore, instead of vice versa. Difference is PM can't go bitch about it to the media, unless he wants to extend this pissing match with some overbearing and egotistical dad/coach. Just seems very unreasonable (actually, it wouldn't make any sense at all) that PM would blackball an entire high school over one family.
Posted on 4/11/11 at 11:42 pm to ColonelReb
You will be one jilted, pissed major college baseball wanna be program follower when Ole Miss is grabbing shite under the hat come signing day.
Like Lester Earl said, these kids have no intention of stepping on campus to attend class. But the kids who would have signed and played for Ole Miss will be wearing Miss. St. and Southern Miss colors.
What is laughable is the fact that these kids' advisors actually think the threat of playing for Ole Miss is going to help their bargaining power. They're going to find out what hardball is come signing day.
Playing in Omaha for a six-time NC winning program from your home state carries some weight. Committing to a program with no championships that was recently the only team to lose a series to LSU is not going to further their cause.
Like Lester Earl said, these kids have no intention of stepping on campus to attend class. But the kids who would have signed and played for Ole Miss will be wearing Miss. St. and Southern Miss colors.
What is laughable is the fact that these kids' advisors actually think the threat of playing for Ole Miss is going to help their bargaining power. They're going to find out what hardball is come signing day.
Playing in Omaha for a six-time NC winning program from your home state carries some weight. Committing to a program with no championships that was recently the only team to lose a series to LSU is not going to further their cause.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 7:54 am to wahoocs
Yeah I'm sure guys like Pomeranz who went in the 12th round and offered a half mil by the rangers and then goes to Ole Miss and turns into a top 5 pick, those guys don't help out a school's reputation for being a threat to go to college.
Only LSU.
It's amazing you act like only LSU goes through this. It's called contingency. You offer a kid one number if player A signs. If he doesn't sign you get another number.
It sucks but that's how you have to play with scholarship numbers limited the way they are.
I'll bet Bianco has no idea they have pro potential. Has not the first clue.
Only LSU.
It's amazing you act like only LSU goes through this. It's called contingency. You offer a kid one number if player A signs. If he doesn't sign you get another number.
It sucks but that's how you have to play with scholarship numbers limited the way they are.
I'll bet Bianco has no idea they have pro potential. Has not the first clue.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 7:57 am to Lester Earl
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It's really dont see it as a threat at all.
Regardless if he believed Cecchini and the amount they said he would take, he knows there is a probability that he never ends up at LSU.
With that being said, you either cut ties with him before, or you have a back up plan.
that is an absolute must if you recruit kids like this.
It is a real threat. You end up with holes at very important positions. Saying you should have a backup plan is easier said than done. One of the things that Mainieri does very well, IMO, is gauge through his contacts what a kid is going to get offered.
He makes decisions on kids based on this analysis. And, LSU has been better for it. Where it has gone wrong is where the kids were being untruthful with Mainieri.
It's very possible that if Cecchini had told him the number was 1.3 that LSU would have moved on at that point. Instead, Cecchini used the LSU name to get more leverage. They lied to Mainieri.
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stupid decision as well.
a grown man like PM that will hold a grudge is pretty ridiculous. Especially if that kid has legit interest in LSU.
and as stated, the dad is a douche, but i would imagine it will be tough to land Barbe kids in the past.
You just explained exactly why Mainieri has moved on. History at Barbe hasn't been kind. Then, Mainieri was lied to by the father / coach at the school.
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ya know Colvin was at freaking orientation at LSU when the Phillies signed him and ZVR got paid 1st round money being a 7th round pick.
I can't remember the #s those kids got. But, if they took less than what they told Mainieri their minimum was, it is a problem. All you have to do is look at last year's team to see the tangible effect it had.
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I remember after the ZVR and Colvin stuff PM said he was mad at the system, not at the kids. Seems with Cechinni it is quite different, and it probably has a lot to do with his dad. Shouldn't take it out on the brother or any other kid at what is probably the best baseball school in the state. It really seems like he is feeling pressure with the whole situation. He needs to man up and treat these kids fairly. He is the 50 year old coach, not the 17 or 18 year old kid.
You are assuming it is an emotional decision...probably because you think it supports your stance.
Mainieri has no reason to believe Cecchini. He's a pretty good prospect who will be drafted pretty high. How in the world is he going to gauge the likelihood that he will be signed based on the history? Mainieri went to the backup plan. And, he did it because it is in the best interest of LSU.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 8:04 am to ColonelReb
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Yeah I'm sure guys like Pomeranz who went in the 12th round and offered a half mil by the rangers and then goes to Ole Miss and turns into a top 5 pick, those guys don't help out a school's reputation for being a threat to go to college.
You just described a situation the exact opposite that has been talked about here.
Is it opposite argument Tuesday?
Or did you just want to point out the Rebs had a great player?
Posted on 4/12/11 at 8:47 am to dos crystal
We need to move on from the Ole Miss decision. My concern lies more down the road with some of the younger recruits. I know some of those younger Barbe kids will want to go to LSU, I just hope when this smoke clears, they will have that chance and we can get some of them. They seem to know how to win on the biggest of stages!
Posted on 4/12/11 at 8:47 am to ColonelReb
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It's amazing you act like only LSU goes through this. It's called contingency. You offer a kid one number if player A signs. If he doesn't sign you get another number.
this is what is stupid. any player worth his salt isn't going to wait and be a back up plan in case a better player gets drafted. it's why a trey watkins and raphe rymes is on the team. not exactly all s.e.c. players.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:01 am to tigerfoot
What he wanted to point out is that Bianco knows what's going to happen and doesn't mind getting used, because there is no significant dropoff between his Plan B options.
I can tell by his hurt feelings that I'm not very far from being entirely correct on his reaction come signing day.
And to respond to his LSU being the only school comment, we are talking about LA natives here. Nothing personal. Of course it happens elsewhere. LSU just happens to be one of a handful of schools that offer families that kind of negotiating power.
And Ole Miss is not one of the fingers on that hand.
I can tell by his hurt feelings that I'm not very far from being entirely correct on his reaction come signing day.
And to respond to his LSU being the only school comment, we are talking about LA natives here. Nothing personal. Of course it happens elsewhere. LSU just happens to be one of a handful of schools that offer families that kind of negotiating power.
And Ole Miss is not one of the fingers on that hand.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:08 am to Lester Earl
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No, he would have went to Boston anyway and LSU would still be without a kid who was considered one of the top prospects in the nation and state.
You have a fricking backup plan. Don't think PM really expected this kid to come to LSU. Not after 30 years of coaching college baseball.
1)gavin isn't with boston. Garin is.
2)back up plan, who exactly, that is worth a shite,is going to wait until fall semester to see if a player, who's equal or slightly better than you, may or may not go pro? it's why you have trey watkins and raphe rymes on the team.
quote:over 400,000 isn't much? it's aproximately 1/3 of the total amount. if i cut your salary by a 1/3 you think that isn't much?
Anyway, do you know the difference of 1.75 mil and 1.31 mil? It's not that much.
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Doesnt sound like he is bitching at all.
Sounds like LSU cut off all contact with him, he visited Ole Miss, he committed to Ole Miss, and someone asked him what happened with LSU.
yeah, going public with one side of the story when a coach can't respond about a recruit. he's not crying and the coach is? he's butt hurt. talking about trust, oh the irony.
The family is showing total class. They are simply a victim. Contributed nothing to the situation. It's all p.m.
p.m. is expected not show "pride" be "petty" and all the other adjectives you used. yet, the cecchini's, who's dad run's a high school program for many years doesn't have to live by the same humility. hypocrisy?
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And what no one is talking about, and what this really boils down to, is this kid will NEVER step foot on a college baseball field. Basically committing to Ole Miss knowing he will probably never go there, is really a big "frick you" from Barbe to LSU. Not really a good thing.
that's the entire point. he's now wasting ole miss's time and money. it's more of "frick you" to ole miss in reality. lsu can live without barbe. not that they should, however, they have had one barbe player out of 6 titles. not exactly the life line to program.
i don't think p.m. will discontinue recruiting barbe. he just wont deal with cecchini. cecchini is retiring, so, no harm no foul.
This post was edited on 4/12/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:43 am to moneyg
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One of the things that Mainieri does very well, IMO, is gauge through his contacts what a kid is going to get offered.
seems to me we have lost more guys on the bubble than we have retained. Only to hear PM whine about the system over and over because it defeats him.
and the guys we did keep, guys like Jared Mitchell, DJ Lemahieu and Renaudo out of HS, were not drafted as high as they could have been because of their strong commitments to LSU. Even Kevin Gausman.
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You just explained exactly why Mainieri has moved on. History at Barbe hasn't been kind. Then, Mainieri was lied to by the father / coach at the school.
Sorry, but you don't take it out on the kids. You just don't. Imagine if you had a kid their who was a lifelong LSU fan, who was good enough to play in Baton Rouge, but you couldnt play their because of 2 immature adults. Pathetic.
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You are assuming it is an emotional decision...probably because you think it supports your stance.
Wrong is wrong. It really has nothing to do with my "stance". And it is obviously is emotional. Listen/read PM's comments every August when that signing day rolls around
Posted on 4/12/11 at 9:43 am to dos crystal
The article never says that LSU pulled the kid's scholarship. The kid said that he felt they would have, since they backed off recruiting him after his brother went pro.
Couldn't this be just a good business move on PM's side? He realizes that the family wants the kids to go to the MLB instead of college. He thinks that Gavin is going to get the money he needs to go pro, regardless of what the family says. So he backs off and moves to a back-up plan. We are talking about PM gambling on athletes that may/may not go in the draft, maybe this is a time where instead of signing them and hoping they stay he doesnt sign them assuming they go. (which everyone thinks will happen)
Gavin's ego is hurt because his brother got more attention in this process than he did. Well when you are a younger brother you get the shite end of the stick sometimes, deal with it. So Gavin reaches out to gain the attention of some other school and makes sure that everyone knows that a school wants him.
I don't see this being a big deal down the road.
Couldn't this be just a good business move on PM's side? He realizes that the family wants the kids to go to the MLB instead of college. He thinks that Gavin is going to get the money he needs to go pro, regardless of what the family says. So he backs off and moves to a back-up plan. We are talking about PM gambling on athletes that may/may not go in the draft, maybe this is a time where instead of signing them and hoping they stay he doesnt sign them assuming they go. (which everyone thinks will happen)
Gavin's ego is hurt because his brother got more attention in this process than he did. Well when you are a younger brother you get the shite end of the stick sometimes, deal with it. So Gavin reaches out to gain the attention of some other school and makes sure that everyone knows that a school wants him.
I don't see this being a big deal down the road.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:14 am to Lester Earl
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and the guys we did keep, guys like Jared Mitchell, DJ Lemahieu and Renaudo out of HS, were not drafted as high as they could have been because of their strong commitments to LSU. Even Kevin Gausman.
Not sure what your point is. Those kids had a minimum and stuck to it. Cecchini had a minimum but gave LSU a higher number so that He wiould be in a stronger bargaining position.
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Sorry, but you don't take it out on the kids. You just don't. Imagine if you had a kid their who was a lifelong LSU fan, who was good enough to play in Baton Rouge, but you couldnt play their because of 2 immature adults. Pathetic.
Mainieri has to look out for LSU. At the end of the day if he can not trust the coaches at Barbe than he is not going to take on the risk of relying on players that say they need a premium to go pro.
Mainieri went to his plan B and left the 2nd Cecchini behind.
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And it is obviously is emotional. Listen/read PM's comments every August when that signing day rolls around
Mainieri is campaigning for change. He isn't simply whining. I think most reasonable people understand that.
Posted on 4/12/11 at 10:29 am to moneyg
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Not sure what your point is. Those kids had a minimum and stuck to it. Cecchini had a minimum but gave LSU a higher number so that He wiould be in a stronger bargaining position.
Those are the guys that came to LSU
You said he was good at gauging money and interest with these kids. Well the list of guys that haven't made it to LSU is probably double of those who actually get to campus. Talking borderline guys.
He said for himself he thought Colvin and ZVR would be at LSU. Obviously he isnt too great a gauging interest.
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Mainieri is campaigning for change. He isn't simply whining. I think most reasonable people understand that.
if you look at it unbiasedly, he is whining. It doesn't really matter though.
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