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re: From TCU admin on Patterson poss. leaving TCU
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:19 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:19 pm to Lester Earl
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he just doesnt really impress me, esp if we have to pay him 4-5 million a year
what has he done that is -not- impressive? he made TCU a legitimate contender. they would have run the table in the east.
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Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:20 pm to Tiger Authority
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And the LSU job is better, can offer more money, resources, and competition at the highest level of the game.
I agree. If you are a winner like Gary, you are always going to be a big fish in the small pond. LSU on the other hand, with the constant exposure, the Saturday night aura, and the prospect of competing in the SEC with the likes of Nick Saban has to appeal to a competitive person.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:21 pm to Books
Did Florida make a run at Patterson?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:25 pm to Books
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My guess it's a small minority which is my point
Sure. Though I like that you proved your point by having me try to guess at something thats not measurable.
Fwiw, it's not that I think patterson would NEVER leave TCU. It's just that I don't think it's as simple and easy as people are making it out to be. I would think it would take more money (though we wouldn't have to throw the kitchen sink at him) than he's currently making. I.e. I don't think we'd be able to hire Patterson without offering him more money.
How often do coaches take a new better job without an increase in compensation ?
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
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im leaning that he is more a flavor of the week type of guy though.
Maybe he is, but TCU has gone undefeated in the regular season like 3 years in a row. I wouldn't say he's the flavor of the week, but more like the flavor of the month, or even flavor of the season.
TCU has been ranked in the top 5 in both total offense and defense for years now. I think he's a very good Xs and Os type coach. I know nothing about his ability to recruit nationally, but if you based his merit purely on coaching, he's gotta be near the top of everyone's list.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:26 pm to The Egg
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if they weren't going to be moving in the big east
He should ask Brian Kelly and Cinci what going undefeated in the Big East means for national title hope. It means the same as going undefeated in the MWC, nothing.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:26 pm to Lester Earl
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he just doesnt really impress me, esp if we have to pay him 4-5 million a year
at least we'd have Les' buyout to initially soften the blow. Hard to argue with a Patterson hire, though I don't think that he'll leave TCU.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:35 pm to bmy
I just think it's funny people want to throw all this money at a guy who hasn't had to coach against the best and hasn't had his team have to play against better competition week in and week out. Not to say that he won't be a good coach.
but the people who are having a hard time swallowing how much we pay les Miles and the prospect of giving LM a raise, who has proven to be competitive in the SEC, now want to throw the same amount money at a guy who hasn't.
but the people who are having a hard time swallowing how much we pay les Miles and the prospect of giving LM a raise, who has proven to be competitive in the SEC, now want to throw the same amount money at a guy who hasn't.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:38 pm to Puffoluffagus
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I just think it's funny people want to throw all this money at a guy who hasn't had to coach against the best and hasn't had his team have to play against better competition week in and week out. Not to say that he won't be a good coach.
I think people are scrambling for a good coach to hire in the middle of January should Miles leave. People aren't enamored with a Pelini hire.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:50 pm to south bama tiger
LSU cannot match TCU from a compensation standpoint, period. However, LSU can offer:
(1) the SEC
(2) Saturday night in Death Valley
(3) one of the best fanbases in the nation (when you win).
(4) really good compensation, and
(5) at least two more years of Tyrann Mathieu
(1) the SEC
(2) Saturday night in Death Valley
(3) one of the best fanbases in the nation (when you win).
(4) really good compensation, and
(5) at least two more years of Tyrann Mathieu
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:51 pm to Books
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But u didn't argue ALL the objective points, only ones that ignored lsu's advantages; which a lot of objective observers would likely say outweigh all that tcu has. It was said time and again that he's not leaving. Peterson is looking at stanford as we speak
Of course I didn't - I'm arguing why it's not likely. Not the other way around. That's YOUR job on this post. So wow me. What are the objective reasons which counter those I've provided here, and others on the board today that you've attempted to discard? And PS, don't use money - TCU has plenty of cash, and will pay whatever it takes to keep Patterson. The stakes are just too high not to.
As for Peterson, I've heard his name mentioned in association with Stanford, but seen nothing on the web that indicates he's seriously entertaining an offer. Please provide link. Even if he is, it only furthers my point....it's all about the state of affairs TODAY. Peterson just went to a second tier bowl, and he made what proved to be a bad chess move switching to the MWC, only to see Utah and TCU jump for greener pastures within months. Factors that might lead a coach to finally think about moving up. Not even close to the factors Gary Patterson is facing at the moment.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:55 pm to DallasTigerFan
Listed time and again and what's your guess on the point of the OP? That's from a biased source and is basically in agreement that he very well may leave bc of what LSU offers over tcu
Posted on 1/9/11 at 5:58 pm to Puffoluffagus
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I just think it's funny people want to throw all this money at a guy who hasn't had to coach against the best and hasn't had his team have to play against better competition week in and week out. Not to say that he won't be a good coach.
Dude. Look around. Names like:
Pelini
Jimbo Fisher
Malzahn
Tuberville
Look who Florida got. A career assistant.
Compared to this lot, there is no comparison. Patterson has the best resume. Plus, what I like about him is he will continue the great LSU defense tradition.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:08 pm to DeltaDoc
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(1) the SEC
(2) Saturday night in Death Valley
(3) one of the best fanbases in the nation (when you win).
(4) really good compensation, and
(5) at least two more years of Tyrann Mathieu
Good points. Here are my thoughts....
1. Hands down the best conf in the land, but also the toughest. If a coach's goal is to win a BCSNC (and not solely consider coaching at "the next level" as argued by some here), then one could argue it's more of a deterrent for someone in GP's position than it is a positive.
2. No doubt - big advantage for LSU.
3. You said it yourself - great fan base, but extremely tough (b/c we have high standards). But certainly a positive.
4. TCU can and will pay whatever it takes. This is a wash at best.
5. Very true.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:16 pm to Books
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Listed time and again and what's your guess on the point of the OP? That's from a biased source and is basically in agreement that he very well may leave bc of what LSU offers over tcu
And the evidence backing your Peterson/Stanford claim? Again, I've heard they reached out, but that's all I know (not to mention it means nothing).
Until I read something from a source who is actually quoted with a name, and therefore validated as being close to Patterson and/or the hypothetical LSU offering of a job, I'll reserve comments on rumors meant to refute what I'm arguing - because until then, that's precisely what the are....rumors.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 6:26 pm to DallasTigerFan
Peterson is secondary. Point is others can see the inherent advantages LSU has even thei own board admins. You will obv continue to believe what u want
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:44 pm to Books
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Listed time and again and what's your guess on the point of the OP? That's from a biased source and is basically in agreement that he very well may leave bc of what LSU offers over tcu
Did we ever get a link to what was supposedly a quote by a TCU admin? I'm not calling bs on the story, but a link would be nice to give the quote some support.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:47 pm to Books
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I have always said that he really likes TCU and the longer he stays there, the more likely it is that he'll retire from TCU. However, those 2 schools (lsu and texas) along with OU should scare TCU fans the most. I think he would give them a legit look.
If Miles leaves the realistic killer hire is Patterson... he has been great at TCU and proven himself
TCU to the Big East is a double edged sword for them... they may be guaranteed a BCS berth many years but they will have shitty traveling to colder stadiums to contend with and if you win the SEC you have an excellent shot at making the BCS NCG
Posted on 1/10/11 at 1:57 pm to rossman
it's on a premium board so a link wouldn't do you any good unless you're a member of OB
Posted on 1/10/11 at 2:01 pm to Books
I guess what I'm getting at is this: was the quote from an actual TCU AD in an article or something, or was this just a word of mouth type thing? I'm just trying to figure out how credible this thing is.
Patterson would be my top choice. He is an excellent coach and he wouldn't leave LSU for any other job (meaning we wouldn't be doing this all over again in 3 years). Also, for those that question his recruiting prowess, he has to fight the big boys in Texas over recruits and is still able to get his share to come to TCU.
Patterson would be my top choice. He is an excellent coach and he wouldn't leave LSU for any other job (meaning we wouldn't be doing this all over again in 3 years). Also, for those that question his recruiting prowess, he has to fight the big boys in Texas over recruits and is still able to get his share to come to TCU.
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