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OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:05 pm
BCS STANDINGS
Well AU, TCU, and Oregon all looked poise to fall in the first quarter, but all pulled out wins. I'll assume nothing will come of the Cam Newton scandal and LSU has no chance of an SEC title. That still leaves open a very slight chance at a National Title...you DO NOT have to win your conference to play for a National Championship (and don't bring up UGA...they could have played, they just weren't as deserving as LSU in 07). LSU will have an amazing computer score at 11-1, maybe better than anyone in the nation (but AU) including undefeated Oregon. But they need LOTS of help. At the very least the 2 of the following 3 would absolutely have to happen:
1. Oregon loses
2. TCU loses
3. Auburn loses to Bama and SC
It is almost impossible for LSU to pass undefeated TCU and make it into the title game. Also, if Auburn finishes 12-1 by losing to SC that almost certainly stay above LSU. While 2 of the above 3 HAVE to happen, I am mostly of the opinion that at least 2 of the following 3 also need to happen.
1. Boise loses
2. The Big12 champ (NU/Ok State) loses again
3. Wisconsin loses
Now I can see LSU finishing above any or all of those teams if a National Title is not on the line. But when push comes to shove, voters would be very inclined to vote the Big12 or Big 10 champ (and certainly Boise) above LSU for the NC. Even if LSU beat out NU/Wisconsin, they would probably steal enough votes from LSU to give Boise the human poll cushion it needs.
LSU VERSUS TCU ARGUMENT
There has been some talk of LSU passing undefeated TCU and no matter how I crunch the numbers and come up with different scenarios it seems almost impossible. Putting aside any "Cam Newton effect", it is silly to think that more than a handful of voters would put LSU above TCU. LSU's best shot at passing TCU would be the following:
1. Auburn loses twice
2. Oregon and TCU win out
3. Boise, Wisconsin, the Big12 champ, and probably Stanford/Ohio State all lose
#3 is a necessity because all of those teams would steal votes from LSU. I think LSU would be #1 in the computers and TCU would be #3; then LSU would only need to be within one full spot of TCU in the human polls. That almost seems plausible but I think TCU would get as many 1st place votes as LSU gets 2nd place votes. And this is in the ludicrous scenario where Boise, Wisconsin, Big 12 champ, Ohio State, and Stanford all lose (and AU loses twice).
* If there aren't NT implications, it is more possible that LSU passes TCU
BCS BOWL POSSIBILITIES
At 11-1 LSU would seem like a lock to make a BCS bowl. In fact, they may finish top 4 of the BCS making them an "auto qualifier". But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU, they get the auto bid and the SEC can only have 2 teams...so LSU is left in the cold.
Assuming AU won the SEC, LSU would have an excellent chance at 10-2 and it seems almost definite the SEC gets 2 teams in. If Bama and Arky each lose, LSU would almost certainly get that spot; otherwise it would be a tough call and that would be up to the Bowls to decide who brings the best draw (probably Bama).
BCS Bowl Projections:
1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise
*The Sugar doesn't have to take LSU and some believe that the Sugar hates taking LSU because they don't sell hotel rooms, etc. But I think their relationship with the SEC makes it likely.
Well AU, TCU, and Oregon all looked poise to fall in the first quarter, but all pulled out wins. I'll assume nothing will come of the Cam Newton scandal and LSU has no chance of an SEC title. That still leaves open a very slight chance at a National Title...you DO NOT have to win your conference to play for a National Championship (and don't bring up UGA...they could have played, they just weren't as deserving as LSU in 07). LSU will have an amazing computer score at 11-1, maybe better than anyone in the nation (but AU) including undefeated Oregon. But they need LOTS of help. At the very least the 2 of the following 3 would absolutely have to happen:
1. Oregon loses
2. TCU loses
3. Auburn loses to Bama and SC
It is almost impossible for LSU to pass undefeated TCU and make it into the title game. Also, if Auburn finishes 12-1 by losing to SC that almost certainly stay above LSU. While 2 of the above 3 HAVE to happen, I am mostly of the opinion that at least 2 of the following 3 also need to happen.
1. Boise loses
2. The Big12 champ (NU/Ok State) loses again
3. Wisconsin loses
Now I can see LSU finishing above any or all of those teams if a National Title is not on the line. But when push comes to shove, voters would be very inclined to vote the Big12 or Big 10 champ (and certainly Boise) above LSU for the NC. Even if LSU beat out NU/Wisconsin, they would probably steal enough votes from LSU to give Boise the human poll cushion it needs.
LSU VERSUS TCU ARGUMENT
There has been some talk of LSU passing undefeated TCU and no matter how I crunch the numbers and come up with different scenarios it seems almost impossible. Putting aside any "Cam Newton effect", it is silly to think that more than a handful of voters would put LSU above TCU. LSU's best shot at passing TCU would be the following:
1. Auburn loses twice
2. Oregon and TCU win out
3. Boise, Wisconsin, the Big12 champ, and probably Stanford/Ohio State all lose
#3 is a necessity because all of those teams would steal votes from LSU. I think LSU would be #1 in the computers and TCU would be #3; then LSU would only need to be within one full spot of TCU in the human polls. That almost seems plausible but I think TCU would get as many 1st place votes as LSU gets 2nd place votes. And this is in the ludicrous scenario where Boise, Wisconsin, Big 12 champ, Ohio State, and Stanford all lose (and AU loses twice).
* If there aren't NT implications, it is more possible that LSU passes TCU
BCS BOWL POSSIBILITIES
At 11-1 LSU would seem like a lock to make a BCS bowl. In fact, they may finish top 4 of the BCS making them an "auto qualifier". But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU, they get the auto bid and the SEC can only have 2 teams...so LSU is left in the cold.
Assuming AU won the SEC, LSU would have an excellent chance at 10-2 and it seems almost definite the SEC gets 2 teams in. If Bama and Arky each lose, LSU would almost certainly get that spot; otherwise it would be a tough call and that would be up to the Bowls to decide who brings the best draw (probably Bama).
BCS Bowl Projections:
1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise
*The Sugar doesn't have to take LSU and some believe that the Sugar hates taking LSU because they don't sell hotel rooms, etc. But I think their relationship with the SEC makes it likely.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:07 pm to lsumatt
Hopefully we don't play Ohio St. again. I'm tired of whooping their arse.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:09 pm to lsumatt
I just cannot understand how TCU's computer ranking can be so high with such a trash schedule. I know they put a ton of weight into being undefeated, maybe that is what needs to change.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:10 pm to lsumatt
quote:
1. NC game: AU versus Oregon
2. Sugar: LSU* versus Ohio State
3. Rose: Wisconsin versus TCU
4. Orange: Va Tech versus Pitt
5. Fiesta: Nebraska versus Boise
LSU vs. OSU is the best game outside of the BCSCG IMO
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to lsumatt
As always, good job and thanks.


Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to lsumatt
Pissible, but pollsters will see to it a non-SEC champ will not make it to the game
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:11 pm to LSU Fan SLU Grad
quote:
Hopefully we don't play Ohio St. again. I'm tired of whooping their arse.
I always love whooping their arse.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:15 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:
Pissible, but pollsters will see to it a non-SEC champ will not make it to the game
So who does make the game if TCU, Boise, Auburn, Wisconsin, Ohio State, and the Big12 champ all lose again?
A 2 loss Big East team?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:16 pm to PPBeastMode
quote:I think so too.
LSU vs. OSU is the best game outside of the BCSCG IMO

Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:17 pm to lsumatt
It ashame that neither TCU/Oregon/Boise State is really that good. They are all beatable. I think Auburn and Boise State have the best offensive team in the Nation. LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..
Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!
Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:19 pm to LSUVAFAN
quote:
It ashame that neither TCU/Oregon/Boise State is really that good. They are all beatable. I think Auburn and Boise State have the best offensive team in the Nation. LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..
Playoff System would be great this year.
At least we have Oregon in the first game next year!
that D# gave up 35 points to a crappy team
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:22 pm to LSUVAFAN
quote:
LSU has the best defense followed by TCU..
TCU's Defense is severely overrated. They are good, but until they face an O-line that isn't the size of a group of Tight ends I will reserve my judgment.
Yeah they have a few athletic guys, but have you seen any of their defensive starters getting top draft hype?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:23 pm to lsumatt
Sagarin and the ELO-Chess would have you believe the SEC West is pretty damn stout.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:24 pm to lsumatt
Don't you think Auburn would fall further than 4 in the polls if they lose to SC? Tennessee fell to the Citrus Bowl in 01 when we beat them.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:25 pm to PPBeastMode
quote:
that D# gave up 35 points to a crappy team
28 SDSU scored on defense.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:27 pm to lsumatt
I have to respectfully disagree with your possibilites.
LSU will be closer to Boise and TCU this week. Boise St. is currently 0.0492 ahead of us. TCU is 0.1089. Both of these margins will be smaller this week if the trend from the Coaches poll is the same in the Harris Poll.
I said it last week and I will say it again. Last week TCU peaked in the BCS. It can only go down in both the computer and human polls. Boise St. is are main threat. Hopefully Nevada will take care of them but I don't see that happening.
You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.
LSU will be closer to Boise and TCU this week. Boise St. is currently 0.0492 ahead of us. TCU is 0.1089. Both of these margins will be smaller this week if the trend from the Coaches poll is the same in the Harris Poll.
I said it last week and I will say it again. Last week TCU peaked in the BCS. It can only go down in both the computer and human polls. Boise St. is are main threat. Hopefully Nevada will take care of them but I don't see that happening.
You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:29 pm to PPBeastMode
Lsumatt ....
I contend most likely outcome, Oregon, TCU, Boise win out and Auburn beats USCe after losing to Bama.
Then I thunk Rose is in play for LSU.
TCU Oregon to title game
Auburn to Sugar
Rose would have first pick and wouldn't have to take Boise. It would be 11-1 LSU or 11-1 Stanford. They take Stanford. But if Standford is 10-2 they take LSU over unabated Boise.
Thoughts.
I contend most likely outcome, Oregon, TCU, Boise win out and Auburn beats USCe after losing to Bama.
Then I thunk Rose is in play for LSU.
TCU Oregon to title game
Auburn to Sugar
Rose would have first pick and wouldn't have to take Boise. It would be 11-1 LSU or 11-1 Stanford. They take Stanford. But if Standford is 10-2 they take LSU over unabated Boise.
Thoughts.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:30 pm to Lil Br Tiga
quote:
If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first.
absolutely false
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:32 pm to Lil Br Tiga
quote:
You are going to see it all even out between LSU, Boise St. and TCU after we play Arkansas. If Auburn loses to Alabama we go to the BCSNG even if they beat South Carolina. You heard it here first
If LSU wins against (#13) Arkansas, that'll give us the best computer ranking behind Auburn. I think LSU will jump TCU or Boise with an impressive win over Arkansas
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