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re: OFFICIAL BCS/ NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:33 pm to LSUJuice
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:33 pm to LSUJuice
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Don't you think Auburn would fall further than 4 in the polls if they lose to SC? Tennessee fell to the Citrus Bowl in 01 when we beat them.
Auburn would only have 1 loss. Tennessee had 2. When the voters go to fill out their ballots and they have to write in some order 12-1 SEC Champs Auburn who beat 11-1 SECW runner up LSU...who do you think they put ahead of the other?
Now it is possible that neither AU or LSU finsih top 4 and then it is the bowls decision who to pick.
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:34 pm to pitbull20
Oregon is the same way. I had respect for them until i saw the teams they played and their records. Just awful. 
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:35 pm to northeasttiger
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Rose would have first pick and wouldn't have to take Boise. It would be 11-1 LSU or 11-1 Stanford. They take Stanford. But if Standford is 10-2 they take LSU over unabated Boise.
I have been hearing that and it is a possibility. The Rose loves their Pac10/Big10 matchup so I don't know.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:37 pm to PPBeastMode
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I think LSU will jump TCU or Boise with an impressive win over Arkansas
Even if they passed TCU momentarily, the voters would re-think after the SECCG. For those of you who actually think that LSU can finish above TCU AND make the NT game, please write out you top 6 in the human polls and computers.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:38 pm to northeasttiger
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I contend most likely outcome, Oregon, TCU, Boise win out and Auburn beats USCe after losing to Bama.
Then I thunk Rose is in play for LSU.
There you go thunking again. I thunk you have thunked yourself into a stuper. No SEC team has played in the Rose bowl since 1946. No way they take a SEC team. I think they would still take a two loss Stanford over us. They don't have to go by ranking.
edit: looks like they would not have to take a non-AQ
This post was edited on 11/14/10 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:39 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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No SEC team has played in the Rose bowl since 1946. No way they take a SEC team
Had USC not choked against UCLA in 06, it was a done deal for LSU
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:42 pm to lsumatt
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Had USC not choked against UCLA in 06, it was a done deal for LSU
I remember everyone buying up tickets, but I don't recall the circumstances. What lead to LSU being a lock for the Rose Bowl that year? Are the same dominoes in place? I thought they did not have to go by rank, which is why I think they would still take a 2 loss Stanford.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:43 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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There you go thunking again. I thunk you have thunked yourself into a stuper. No SEC team has played in the Rose bowl since 1946. No way they take a SEC team. I think they would still take a two loss Stanford over us. They don't have to go by ranking.
However, they do have to take the highest ranked non-AQ this year, but I still have not seen a definitive answer on what happens if a non-AQ goes to the title game.
Archie ... Thunk = iPad typo .... Sorry man ....
Also on the Rose ... Non qualifier in title game means no mandatory Rose pick.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:43 pm to PPBeastMode
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that'll give us the best computer ranking behind Auburn. I think LSU will jump TCU or Boise with an impressive win over Arkansas
Won't happen.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:45 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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What lead to LSU being a lock for the Rose Bowl that year? Are the same dominoes in place? I thought they did not have to go by rank, which is why I think they would still take a 2 loss Stanford.
They don't have to go by rank. The only eligible Pac10 team was a team in 06 was like WSU or something who didn't have a great draw. Stanford will have a terrible draw, although I agree at 11-1 they probably get taken. If they lose again it would be tough for the Rose, but we'll see.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:45 pm to northeasttiger
I was just razzing ya because thunk sounds so damn country. I don't think they will take an SEC team, unless they are forced too.
I edited, but thanks.
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Also on the Rose ... Non qualifier in title game means no mandatory Rose pick.
I edited, but thanks.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:48 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Actually, I don't think there was another eligible Pac10 team in 06.
I agree the Rose takes an 11-1 Stanford team. But for whatever reason, I have been hearing the Rose wouldn't want a 10-2 Stanford team. Not sure if that is true.
I agree the Rose takes an 11-1 Stanford team. But for whatever reason, I have been hearing the Rose wouldn't want a 10-2 Stanford team. Not sure if that is true.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:49 pm to lsumatt
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Stanford will have a terrible draw, although I agree at 11-1 they probably get taken. If they lose again it would be tough for the Rose, but we'll see.
Not trying to derail the "NATIONAL TITLE DISCUSSION", but I think the "BCS" shot is more likely and apparently the rose is again on tiger fans' minds. That said, why do you think Stanford would be a bad draw? They haven't been since 2000? Moreover, I think the committee is more concerned with tradition.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:49 pm to lsumatt
If au loses to either bama or sc, they will NOT stay above lsu in the bcs.
Other than that, and the huge implications it has on your analysis, you got good info.
Other than that, and the huge implications it has on your analysis, you got good info.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:51 pm to lsumatt
Title game is a long shot but it's all happened before with CLM. I would like one of the undefeated media darlings in the Sugar if Auburn wins out.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:53 pm to 1p56
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f au loses to either bama or sc, they will NOT stay above lsu in the bcs.
Wait, so Auburn loses to Bama and them wins the SECCG and the majority voters say:
"I think I'll put 11-1 LSU who came in 2nd in the SECW above 12-1 Auburn who won the SEC and beat LSU"
Yeah, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:54 pm to 1p56
LSUMatt I agree in ordinary times Auburn as SEC champ would be ranked over LSU in the last poll, but do you think the Camgate problems could cause human voters to be more open to it this year. Sort of an uncertainty penalty to Auburn. I'm assuming a Bama win.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:58 pm to northeasttiger
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LSUMatt I agree in ordinary times Auburn as SEC champ would be ranked over LSU in the last poll, but do you think the Camgate problems could cause human voters to be more open to it this year. Sort of an uncertainty penalty to Auburn. I'm assuming a Bama win.
I just have to ignore the Camgate stuff. I have no idea what comes out in the next 2 weeks and how it affects voters. I have no data point to compare it to.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:59 pm to lsumatt
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But if 12-0 Auburn loses to SC, then South Carolina goes to the Sugar and Auburn almost definitely finishes above LSU in the final BCS. If Auburn finished #3 or #4 above LSU,
How do you know that Auburn wouldn't slide any further if they lose to SC?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:02 pm to c on z
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How do you know that Auburn wouldn't slide any further if they lose to SC?
I don't know...the same way I know they won't vote Ole Miss #1.
Based on common sense and everything I have observed in from pollsters over 20 years all signs point them putting AU over LSU. We could come up with scenarios (new Camgate stuff, a 50 point loss to SC etc.), but it is much more logical than AU stays above LSU.
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