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re: Bookie says they won't play
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:21 pm to Ignatius J. Reilly
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:21 pm to Ignatius J. Reilly
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If one side is being bet more than the other, the line moves to entice more bets on the other side to even things out.
I never used a bookie because I always had this picture if I bet once and won big and then never bet again...I'd end up at the bottom of the Mississippi River.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:22 pm to LSURulzSEC
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Thought the same thing.
Lessee.... about a hundred games, times let's say an average of 6 punts per game, means not a whole lot of research required to pull a few names out of the archives.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:22 pm to Cajun Revolution
The books have to be careful with a "middle" play here.
I personally believe the value play is with the Tarheels.
I see them winning this game, but if not, I believe they will hang within the small number (+ 3.5'ish).
I personally believe the value play is with the Tarheels.
I see them winning this game, but if not, I believe they will hang within the small number (+ 3.5'ish).
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:23 pm to Steauxn
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So Vegas is powerful enough to get "official" news before its officially anounced?
Yeah Right...
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:24 pm to Duckie
Guys - books lay balances to each other all the time. They play the game for the juice, they rarely take a beating and I mean rarely, especically on a game that is this close...there will be plenty of $$ on both sides for them to balance the bet.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:28 pm to the LSUSaint
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He said "all players being investigated would not play", and it was reported there were 6 on defense at the beggining of the "tudor" scandal
This is 2nd hand. My friend in the face to face this morning did not name numbers of players. He was interested in the line. So his version of 'all players' might = 4 or 5. It might be ALL. I can't vouch for that. But he was absolutely assured that some number of players who have not been officially announced will not play according to inside sources at UNC.
He also said this is problematical for bookies and the line will not move above 2.5.
Someone has already posted here that there is no line due to this.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:32 pm to Zach
LSU should beat these guys by at elast 2 touchdowns.
This is an easy game to pick. Plus any single player that gets held out by NC should move teh line quite a bit. They are NOT that deep, and that's what counts.
If the lose more than one or two on D, this will be a blow out.
This is an easy game to pick. Plus any single player that gets held out by NC should move teh line quite a bit. They are NOT that deep, and that's what counts.
If the lose more than one or two on D, this will be a blow out.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:34 pm to H-Town Tiger
Middling has been a science for many years, and it pays in the long run. Don't underestimate it.
You will rarely see a big line move on Monday night games for this reason.
You will also be very surprised how many times the number drops right in the slot. Lines are very accurate.
The Vegas Power Ratings are my most reliable source for determining team strength. LSU has been highly rated by them since the Saban days, but non-mysteriously waning lately.
You will rarely see a big line move on Monday night games for this reason.
You will also be very surprised how many times the number drops right in the slot. Lines are very accurate.
The Vegas Power Ratings are my most reliable source for determining team strength. LSU has been highly rated by them since the Saban days, but non-mysteriously waning lately.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:35 pm to Ignatius J. Reilly
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Vegas is all about balancing the book.
This.
The whole point of a moving line is to ensure that the bookie has an equal number of losing bets and winning bets so that the losers cover the winners and the bookie takes the vig
That's the theory, but it don't work that way in real life. Far more is bet on NFL games, usually the best outcome for Vegas is for the favorite to win outright, but not cover. Most people usually bet favorites, but they have greater exposure if underdog wins outright.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:38 pm to Zach
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Someone has already posted here that there is no line due to this.
The new and adjusted line is LSU - 3.5 at 5Dimes.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:39 pm to the LSUSaint
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This is an easy game to pick.
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If the lose more than one or two on D, this will be a blow out.
Hello, Mr. Joe Public.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
The real threat for a game with a large line move is pairing that game with a "key" game in a two game teaser.
Teasers don't have juice.
5 1/2 pts. either way buys you 5 1/2 on the key game, with no risk of juice.
ETA: Of course, you have to win the key game, but you get 5 1/2 free points. I have never lost a key game in this scenario, but I have had the game fall outside of my 11+ pt. margin for no joy.
Teasers don't have juice.
5 1/2 pts. either way buys you 5 1/2 on the key game, with no risk of juice.
ETA: Of course, you have to win the key game, but you get 5 1/2 free points. I have never lost a key game in this scenario, but I have had the game fall outside of my 11+ pt. margin for no joy.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:43 pm to wahoocs
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Teasers don't have juice.
2 team teasers usually have juice.
3 & 4 team teasers don't, depending on where you play.
And it's a lot harder than you think to win 3 or 4 games in order to win 1 wager.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:43 pm to wahoocs
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Middling has been a science for many years, and it pays in the long run. Don't underestimate it.
You will rarely see a big line move on Monday night games for this reason.
I would need to see evidence middling works or even happens all that often, for starters, it would require someone to place bets early before a line moves. Sure there are pros that do that, usually because they see an opening line that think is too low and many times the line will not move that much.
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You will also be very surprised how many times the number drops right in the slot. Lines are very accurate.
sure, they know what they are doing. lots of totals are pretty close to the number. How often does say a line open at 3, move to 7 and hits in between?
Big casinos are much more worried about Sunday's like week 6 last year.
Vegas does not get equal bets on both sides
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The Las Vegas Review Journal reported that in some sports books, 90 percent of the action was on the Colts. The bettors had good reason: Undefeated Indy won 42-6,
this game had way more action that bettors middling the LSU-UNC game
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:46 pm to Will Cover
2 team teasers only have juice with 6 points.
Double juice with 6 1/2.
Double juice with 6 1/2.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:51 pm to Will Cover
I doubt it's a lot harder than I believe.
I have 3 good friends who have booked their entire lifetime and do their business offshore.
They also cross state lines when laying off.
I only bet when I'm in the book at Vegas.
My cost of entertainment is too high to do this weekly anymore.
The worst part is when you begin to win betting against yourself. You no longer can determine what you really think is going to happen.
It also leads to loss of attachment to any particular team, and a total disinterest in the actual games.
I have 3 good friends who have booked their entire lifetime and do their business offshore.
They also cross state lines when laying off.
I only bet when I'm in the book at Vegas.
My cost of entertainment is too high to do this weekly anymore.
The worst part is when you begin to win betting against yourself. You no longer can determine what you really think is going to happen.
It also leads to loss of attachment to any particular team, and a total disinterest in the actual games.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:55 pm to Zach
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Hell, this gambler friend of mine delivered money to a center from LSU in the 60s after he hiked the ball over the punters head as promised.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
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There are probably not very many people that did that, the odds are very low it hits right down the middle, if it does, what they lose is not a big deal.
The problem is that the gambler can't lose. The house HATES that scenario. You would do that every time if you could. If you knew you couldn't lose, you would bet everything you could put up - if you win, you quadruple, otherwise you push.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:16 pm to Zach
Actually, the gambler loses the "juice" which is 10% on the lost bet. There is a risk, but you could bet $1,000 and only be risking $100.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:28 pm to Ace Midnight
Honestly the easiest way to make money with betting on games is to find someone who is willing to bet on the underdog and you bet the favorite. Then you counter your bet with your bookie by taking the moneyline for the underdog plus money. Put just enough in where no matter which team wins its even money on both sides for you.
EX James Toney/Randy Couture fight
Friend bet me $75 that Toney would win. Toney was +500 with my bookie so I put $25 on him to win $125 with my bookie. Regardless of who won I was gonna get $50. And if you can make the bet with your friend bigger than you can get more money on either side. Just make sure you friend or whoever is good for there bet. Ive made so much money by doing this.
EX James Toney/Randy Couture fight
Friend bet me $75 that Toney would win. Toney was +500 with my bookie so I put $25 on him to win $125 with my bookie. Regardless of who won I was gonna get $50. And if you can make the bet with your friend bigger than you can get more money on either side. Just make sure you friend or whoever is good for there bet. Ive made so much money by doing this.
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