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re: LOST "The End" S6.E17&18
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:23 am to The Godfather
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:23 am to The Godfather
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i think it was the Ajira plane leaving the island.
For sure it was. No one is saying otherwise.
We are saying that the WRECKAGE during the credits is that of Oceanic 815. What's so hard to understand about this?
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Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:24 am to Freauxzen
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We are saying the plane crash at the end is the plane crash from the very first episode
yeah that is obvious
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and that alludes to "everyone died on the plane. There was no real island.
Didn't Fox say on Kimmel that he thoght the island was their real lives? I thought Kimmel mentioned that specifically and he said that he agreed.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:25 am to Freauxzen
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But there is enough evidence to read it the other, which is the whole problem.
Not really...Lapidus flew the plane off of the Island. End of story.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:25 am to PortCityTiger24
A couple of points that I found interesting from watching Kimmel:
1. The kid Jacob in the background randomly was hilarious. I'm not sure the audience or most viewers even noticed. I wonder what kid Hurley looked like...225 pounds of asthma?
2. I'm pretty sure that Sayid cat is gay IRL. He must have tried to kiss 4 dudes on that show last night. Also, I found it hilarious he claimed to never have watched the show. Doesn't even know what it's actually about.
3. Matthew Fox comes off as a huge douche and Claire chick is slot better looking IRL than she was on the show.
4. What the frick was Michael doing on there? He had like a 2 minute cameo in like the past 3 seasons. Talk about being written out a show buy still partying like it...it just seemed odd he was there. It's like bringing in Ethan for an interview right after the finale.
1. The kid Jacob in the background randomly was hilarious. I'm not sure the audience or most viewers even noticed. I wonder what kid Hurley looked like...225 pounds of asthma?
2. I'm pretty sure that Sayid cat is gay IRL. He must have tried to kiss 4 dudes on that show last night. Also, I found it hilarious he claimed to never have watched the show. Doesn't even know what it's actually about.
3. Matthew Fox comes off as a huge douche and Claire chick is slot better looking IRL than she was on the show.
4. What the frick was Michael doing on there? He had like a 2 minute cameo in like the past 3 seasons. Talk about being written out a show buy still partying like it...it just seemed odd he was there. It's like bringing in Ethan for an interview right after the finale.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:25 am to sgallo3
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It's pretty much a 100% fact that they were alive on the island. Christian said it, the last scene on the island was Jack dying, hurley n Ben talkin bout how he made a good number 2. If you are saying they died in the crash then u think they all died twice or what? Just doesn't make sense especially when there were people that died during the crash. That would mean they died twice in the crash?
This was all left too open to interpretation in my opinion. lots of you are stating as FACT that Christians vague comments at the end prooves without any doubt that the Island was their actual human lifetime.
I'm not going to claim definitively either way, but you could deduce (without being out of bounds within the world they created), that they all died on the original plane crash (or before) and the Island was in fact a purgatory of some sort (doesn't have to be literally an allegory for the Catholic purgatory).
Just because they are all dead doesn't mean that the events of the island were not real in that it was a continuation of existense and an opportunity to atone and let go.
Many times it was quoted "the island wasn't done with you yet" or something close to that. It could also be deduced that when someone died on the island or left the island in some way that they were done and the island was done with them. Once they all completed their journey toward atonement and letting go or whatever, they go to the final meeting place (the ALT) to prepare to enter whatever their version of Heaven is.
Not saying any of this is FACT, but it is within the realm of possible explanation based on what the show gave us.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:26 am to Freauxzen
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We are saying the plane crash at the end is the plane crash from the very first episode, and that alludes to "everyone died on the plane. There was no real island."
To me that doesn't work though. If that's the case then that means that after death they created 2 realities with complete strangers in order to become happy, achieve redemption of some sort, and move on to an afterlife with these people that they didn't know until they died. Doesn't work for me.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:27 am to TigerMyth36
well I'm 45 pages behind at this point. maybe by the time I catch up, this thing will hit 100 pages
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:27 am to Freauxzen
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We are saying that the WRECKAGE during the credits is that of Oceanic 815. What's so hard to understand about this?
nothing
I was just responding to Coco's post earlier. I only read one post where someone thought that plane was the one that Lapidus was flying.
But if they all died in the crash, why were Miles, Richard, Ben, Desmond, ect on the island? Were they just imaginary charactors in the minds of the "dead" crash victims?
I think that they explained pretty clear that the time on the island was real.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:28 am to Salmon
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I think most were just getting annoyed by SFP's extreme, smug douchiness in this entire thread.
But SFP is right. Some people find it hard to face the truth. Bottom line, LOST started out with a bang and ended with a whimper.
What a completely lame direction they took this show in. It really stunk the joint up in a lot of ways, and I think the only reason they kept so many viewers, like myself, is that most of us felt like we have invested too much time and since we saw the light at the end of the tunnel we;d just keep watching. I think that if they had never announced a definite ending time, I would have stopped watching after season 5.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:28 am to Freauxzen
A few more thoughts on the finale:
I am shocked Ben made it through the series, and not only that, but it is heavily implied that he lived longer than anyone else (except for maybe Hurley).
Also, while I don't want to know that much, I'm really curious what the hell the world was thinking after all this. Either Kate will be going to jail for a long, long time or she will be on the run again, which will be far more difficult since she will then be one of the most famous and recognizable people in the world.
I am shocked Ben made it through the series, and not only that, but it is heavily implied that he lived longer than anyone else (except for maybe Hurley).
Also, while I don't want to know that much, I'm really curious what the hell the world was thinking after all this. Either Kate will be going to jail for a long, long time or she will be on the run again, which will be far more difficult since she will then be one of the most famous and recognizable people in the world.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:28 am to Cajun Revolution
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It's like bringing in Ethan for an interview right after the finale.
Not that bad
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:28 am to Leauxgan
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wish they wouldve had the silhouette of a guy shrugging his shoulders to cater to agnostics
lol'd
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:29 am to PortCityTiger24
I got to say I didn't care for last nights show. If the altverse is purgatory then that makes surviving an H-bomb going off on the island even stupider.
The MIB black is turned into a smoke monster by being tossed into the hole with the light but then Jack and Desmond seemed to just walk right in. It seemed to just further devolve into the silliness of this season with Jacob, MIB, light inside the island, an eternal spring water,etc.
To me it seemed like the whole flash sideways/purgatory thing that has been going on all season was just one big excuse to have the cast be able to all reunite at the end of the show for a big fairy tale happy ending because they knew they were gonna kill off half of them on the island.
Things I'm still unsure about:
The numbers
Why women can't have babies on the island
Dharma
Time Traveling
Walt
I think the writers sowed themselves into a trap by gradually building up all these mysteries then arbitrarily picking a date to end the show. Seems like the last couple of seasons and especially this one were rushed. If they only wanted to do six seasons they shouldn't have built it up so much to the point where there are so many loose ends.
I don't regret watching it cause it was an enjoyable tv series but if I had known from the beginning this was how they were gonna wrap it up I probably wouldn't have kept watching.
Last night's show just left me feeling unsatisfied.
The MIB black is turned into a smoke monster by being tossed into the hole with the light but then Jack and Desmond seemed to just walk right in. It seemed to just further devolve into the silliness of this season with Jacob, MIB, light inside the island, an eternal spring water,etc.
To me it seemed like the whole flash sideways/purgatory thing that has been going on all season was just one big excuse to have the cast be able to all reunite at the end of the show for a big fairy tale happy ending because they knew they were gonna kill off half of them on the island.
Things I'm still unsure about:
The numbers
Why women can't have babies on the island
Dharma
Time Traveling
Walt
I think the writers sowed themselves into a trap by gradually building up all these mysteries then arbitrarily picking a date to end the show. Seems like the last couple of seasons and especially this one were rushed. If they only wanted to do six seasons they shouldn't have built it up so much to the point where there are so many loose ends.
I don't regret watching it cause it was an enjoyable tv series but if I had known from the beginning this was how they were gonna wrap it up I probably wouldn't have kept watching.
Last night's show just left me feeling unsatisfied.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:29 am to Freauxzen
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I don't think anyone thinks Lapidus' plane crashes, you guys have that wrong. We are saying the plane crash at the end is the plane crash from the very first episode, and that alludes to "everyone died on the plane. There was no real island."
I don't think it did either because part of the remains of the crash at the end looked like it had the Oceanic Airways paint job on it. I saw some blue and the Ajira plane is red and white.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:30 am to Freauxzen
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We are saying that the WRECKAGE during the credits is that of Oceanic 815. What's so hard to understand about this?
nothing, its just that most of us take that as a look back, hell even Matthew Fox said that everything that happened on the island was real last night on Kimmel, they weren't dead on the island.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:30 am to Tiger Ryno
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I'm not going to claim definitively either way, but you could deduce (without being out of bounds within the world they created), that they all died on the original plane crash (or before)
No. I think the answer was pretty definitive.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:31 am to tigerguy121
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I think I'm going to wind up thinking of Lost as an anthology show, another Twilight Zone or Outer Limits.
It served up some wonderfully weird, allusive stories. It gave us some brilliant mind-benders. There were individual episodes and story arcs that stand out as among the best hours of television ever created.
You just can't think of Lost as one unified story any more, because then you realize it all leads up to this utter flatness. This zone of apathy and new-age "walk into the light" catharsis.
probably the best way to approach the show and still think its good.
because, yea, if you put it all together as one complete story, it comes off as completely disjointed, and honestly, kind of stupid.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:32 am to etm512
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To me that doesn't work though. If that's the case then that means that after death they created 2 realities with complete strangers in order to become happy, achieve redemption of some sort, and move on to an afterlife with these people that they didn't know until they died. Doesn't work for me.
All due respect, it is no more ridiculous than smoke monsters, time travel, and electromagnetic energy contained in a hole of light and water.
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:33 am to AstroTiger
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well I'm 45 pages behind at this point. maybe by the time I catch up, this thing will hit 100 pages
im about that far behind too im usually behind on these threads so i just say f it ill jump to the end and find a time to jump back in
Posted on 5/24/10 at 9:33 am to WikiTiger
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Bottom line, LOST started out with a bang and ended with a whimper.
What a completely lame direction they took this show in. It really stunk the joint up in a lot of ways, and I think the only reason they kept so many viewers, like myself, is that most of us felt like we have invested too much time and since we saw the light at the end of the tunnel we;d just keep watching. I think that if they had never announced a definite ending time, I would have stopped watching after season 5.
I think I'm seeing a trend here. People who hated or were pessimistic LOST before the finale were the same way after the finale. Same vice versa. I found it to be a fantastic ending, and yes I do believe that Damon and Carlton probably had an ending similar to this in mind from the very beginning (ie: moving on, Vincent crawling beside the dying Jack, Jack knowing he secured rescue, and his eye closing).
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