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re: hot seat?...bertman
Posted on 2/2/10 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/2/10 at 10:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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we lost 2 games in 2007, bub
i know...bub. We also won the biggest game of the year....but i guess that was because of the talent, huh? Miles and the coaching staff shouldnt have even shown up for practice the previous 3 years....Sabans recruits could have won NCs all by themselves 3 years in a row.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:02 am to Choctaw
Choctaw, come on and get with the program.
You KNOW that Saban sprinkled magic pixie dust on his recruits from afar that were in their third season playing for Les Miles. That's the only reason we won a NC.
Miles' coaching had nothing to do with that National Championship.
You KNOW that Saban sprinkled magic pixie dust on his recruits from afar that were in their third season playing for Les Miles. That's the only reason we won a NC.
Miles' coaching had nothing to do with that National Championship.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:04 am to Choctaw
quote:They didn't in Saban's last year at LSU! In fact, they couldn't even win their last game with him as head coach.
Sabans recruits could have won NCs all by themselves 3 years in a row.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:05 am to blackjackjackson
He's pretty much speaking the truth. When Saban took over at LSU who in the SEC was dominant besides Florida. Spurier left pretty quick and they went into a few "down" years. LSU started the SEC coach price war. Not until Saban got the big contract did SEC schools start paying that much for coaches. The SEC is a LOT and I mean a LOT better top to bottom now and for the past 4 years.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:17 am to TiegerTim
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There are a number of coaches that could have won a NC in football with this team.. There are probably some that could have won more from the time Less took over till now...
Maybe, but maybe not. Winning titles is hard and requires luck. And if every program was floundering, then I'd give you the Skip is a Bad AD argument, but almost every program is thriving. We went to five Final Fours in women's b-ball, and one in men's. We've won multiple SEC titles in both. We won the SEC in volleyball. Our gymnastics team is an annual title contender. Softball is a WCWS caliber team and the baseball team won the title. Our track team, even without Henry, is Arkansas cheating away from multiple men's and women's titles. Hell, we've won individual titles in TENNIS under Skip.
This has been a fabulously successful decade.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:21 am to jacks1120
quote:I wouldn't say Skip is "speaking the truth". We all agree that the SEC is much more competitive now than it was then BUT Skip is using that as an EXCUSE for Miles' sub par seasons while downplaying Saban's LSU title by saying "it was different ie. "easier" for him back then". Problem is, Skip's ENTIRE argument is shot to hell b/c SABAN JUST WON ANOTHER NATIONAL TITLE AT BAMA. Ask yourself why is it so difficult for Les now but not for Saban?
He's pretty much speaking the truth. When Saban took over at LSU who in the SEC was dominant besides Florida. Spurier left pretty quick and they went into a few "down" years. LSU started the SEC coach price war. Not until Saban got the big contract did SEC schools start paying that much for coaches. The SEC is a LOT and I mean a LOT better top to bottom now and for the past 4 years.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:48 am to LSU91MBA
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Skip's only bad hire IMHO was Smoke
And Miles.
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at the time (following a LEGEND) it made sense
No, it made no sense at all. Why not get the best coach available?
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Our baseball program didn't fall of the face of the earth during those years - we just didn't win the NC
We failed to make the NCAA tournament in Smoke's final year. There's a lot of ground between winning the NC and not even qualifying for the NCAA tournament.
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The athletic programs self support and we've built incredible facilities --- I say Skip did pretty darn good.
He was good at upgrading facilities. He hasn't been good at hiring coaches. Smoke was a failure, Miles is a failure, and Van Chancellor is turning out to be less effective than Pokey was.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 11:53 am to LSURussian
quote:Don't be ridiculous. You are trying to evade the point I made. And you didn't ask me that question. However, to prevent a whole series of "yes I did - no you didn't" posts, let me say Yes, I am very happy with Coach Manieri and am glad he was hired.
So you would have preferred Bianco over Mainieri? You didn't answer that question.
I was saying a public statement is a public statement. And that it was amazing how long it took Bert to figure out what all of us knew about Laval, and then how long it took him to make the change. And I was drawing the parallel to that debacle and his defense of the present football status quo referred to somewhere upthread here. Try to stay on topic, Russian.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:06 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:No, I'm not. I'm just asking a question.
You are trying to evade the point I made.
quote:Yes, I did. LINK
And you didn't ask me that question.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:12 pm to Elleshoe
If you think Bertman was bad, you might want to take a look at what we currently have for an AD. As a supposed basketball man from Duke-y, the best coach Alleva could find to replace Brady was Trent Johnson?? I know the typical response is going to be that TJ won the SEC in his first year. Well, Miles won a NC in his second, but the caveat is that it was with Saban's talent. Maybe TJ inherited some decent players from Brady his first year also.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:15 pm to LSURussian
You're still evading the point I was on. And yes you did ask that question. And yes I answered it.
So now will you admit that if Skip had decided he really wanted whats his name at Ole Miss, that public statement might well have been no different than any other public statement floated out there to fog whatever is really going on. Which is why your defense that he made a public statement that he wanted to stay at Ole Miss is not really all that solid a piece of ground to stand on.
So now will you admit that if Skip had decided he really wanted whats his name at Ole Miss, that public statement might well have been no different than any other public statement floated out there to fog whatever is really going on. Which is why your defense that he made a public statement that he wanted to stay at Ole Miss is not really all that solid a piece of ground to stand on.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:17 pm to Nuts4LSU
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quote:
Skip's only bad hire IMHO was Smoke
And Miles.
Dont be ridiculous
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:20 pm to NorthLaTigerFan
quote:check the state of the FB program when Less took over and check the state of the BB program when Trent took over..
I know the typical response is going to be that TJ won the SEC in his first year. Well, Miles won a NC in his second, but the caveat is that it was with Saban's talent. Maybe TJ inherited some decent players from Brady his first year also
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:21 pm to Baloo
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The '00s were the Golden Age of LSU Athletics and easily the program's most successful decade in terms of both winning and revenue.
Why do people keep saying this completey untrue bullshite?
The 1980s, under Bob Brodhead, were more successful in terms of winning. We won SEC all-sports trophies on a regular basis and finished in the top 5 nationally. Under Bertman, we've never been close to an SEC all-sports trophy and only rarely, and barely, finish in the top 10 nationally.
Give Skip credit for upgrading facilities, but the assertion that his tenure was the most successful competitively is just pure made-up bullshite.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:22 pm to Choctaw
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quote:
Skip's only bad hire IMHO was Smoke
And Miles.
quote:its really not that rediculous... I think we could have made a much better hire... and I think time will show that. the last two years are a sign of things to come....
Dont be ridiculous
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:26 pm to TiegerTim
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its really not that rediculous
Yes it is....the man has 1 of only 3 (recognized) championships at LSU and the best win % in LSU history.
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the last two years are a sign of things to come....
I know ive said it a thousand times...but it amazes me how the Miles bashers seem to be able to predict the future.
And LSU had a better record last year than they did in '08...so technically we're on an upswing. So keep that chin up, bucko.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:29 pm to JustSmokin
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Bertman supporting his hire. Shocking.
8-5 and 9-4 seasons are not worthy of $3.95 mil.
In the end, Les Miles may be a victim of his own success. His early success help perpetuate the LSU and SEC football, not to mention his astronomical salary.
When judging Les Miles, hell yeah you have to see it with the price tag attached.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:32 pm to MiketheTiger69
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hot seat?...bertman
The Little Prick did not have to play/recruit against CUM at Fla. (The Zooker beat him in '03) or Petrino at Arky. David Cutcliff was at Ole Piss and he didn't have much better success against Nutt than Les has. Both have had equal success against The Visor, who took over a completely moribund program at SC, UT, Vandy, Tubby and the Barners, Ky. and the Farmers from Starkville.
The only difference is The Little Prick never lost to Richt and GA. where the Hat has won only once. One of those losses has to be a pass however as the Tigers were an exhausted team in the '05 SECCG.
Wow, you are making a real run at setting the record for most bullshite crammed into a single post.
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The Little Prick did not have to play/recruit against CUM at Fla
No, but he did have to face Spurrier at Florida. So what?
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or Petrino at Arky.
Nutt instead. Again, so what?
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Both have had equal success against The Visor, who took over a completely moribund program at SC, UT, Vandy, Tubby and the Barners, Ky. and the Farmers from Starkville.
Yeah, except Saban didn't lose to Kentucky.
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The only difference is The Little Prick never lost to Richt and GA. where the Hat has won only once.
Well, actually, Saban did lose to Richt and Georgia. In 2004. So the frick what?
quote:
I'd say so far things look pretty even to me
To compare Saban's record at LSU and Alabama with Miles' record at LSU is just stupid. Saban took over both programs when they needed significant rebuilding, while Miles inherited a turn-key powerhouse. Miles SHOULD have a better record than Saban, It SHOULD be a lot better, but it is only barely better, and only for another year. That's inexcusable.
I seriously hope you are not trying to suggest that Miles is in any way close to being as good a coach as Saban. Seriously. You're not, right?
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:36 pm to Choctaw
quote:i agree.. but we didn't beat ONE top 25 team in '09.. not one..
LSU had a better record last year than they did in '08
'08 our defense was bad, Less took steps to correct.
'09 our offense was worse than the D in '08, GC is still here. we will wait to see if the two assistant coaches can make a difference. but we can only improve from 112th in the nation.
'10 what will it be this year????
I hope it gets better, but I'm all out of optimism.....
Less will have to win the West or go 10-2ish and resemble a well coached team to win me back to support him as our coach...
quote:realisticly though, it doesn't feel like it
technically we're on an upswing.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:37 pm to Nuts4LSU
NATIONAL TITLES BY DECADE
FOOTBALL
1980s - 0
2000s – 2
BASEBALL
1980s – 0
2000s – 2
MEN’S INDOOR TRACK
1980s – 0
2000s – 2
WOMEN’S INDOOR TRACK
1980s – 2
2000s – 3
MEN’S OUTDOOR TRACK
1980s – 1
2000s – 1
WOMENS OUTDOOR TRACK
1980s – 3
2000s – 3
TOTALS
1980s – 6
2000s – 13
For those scoring at home, that’s 13-6 in favor of the 2000s. And that’s not counting two individual tennis titles (both indoor, so not official) and, I think, four individual gymnastic titles in the 2000s. And that’s not counting six basketball Final Fours, volleyball’s first SEC title since the 1980s, and softball making two WCWS. Yes, I am making up the “most successful decade” thing up. Only if you count titles and title appearances.
Completely untrue BS unless you, ya know, actually look at the numbers.
FOOTBALL
1980s - 0
2000s – 2
BASEBALL
1980s – 0
2000s – 2
MEN’S INDOOR TRACK
1980s – 0
2000s – 2
WOMEN’S INDOOR TRACK
1980s – 2
2000s – 3
MEN’S OUTDOOR TRACK
1980s – 1
2000s – 1
WOMENS OUTDOOR TRACK
1980s – 3
2000s – 3
TOTALS
1980s – 6
2000s – 13
For those scoring at home, that’s 13-6 in favor of the 2000s. And that’s not counting two individual tennis titles (both indoor, so not official) and, I think, four individual gymnastic titles in the 2000s. And that’s not counting six basketball Final Fours, volleyball’s first SEC title since the 1980s, and softball making two WCWS. Yes, I am making up the “most successful decade” thing up. Only if you count titles and title appearances.
Completely untrue BS unless you, ya know, actually look at the numbers.
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