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Oh the Appraisal Insanity

Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:26 pm
Posted by igoringa
South Mississippi
Member since Jun 2007
12264 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:26 pm
Now dont get me wrong (and I made fun of believing appraisals in another thread today), but this is class real estate agent bull shite at its best:

LINK

In other words, we are not getting enough bull shite high appraisals from our buddies anymore. These appraisals are actually using prior sales.. those bastards! Dont they know we just re-caulked the windows? That is $20K sweat equity alone!

You just gotta love this stuff
Posted by BR Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
4441 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 2:34 pm to
I'm not sure why an appraiser wouldn't know that an addition had been made or renovations had been done. Are appraisals no longer done through the appraiser coming out to the property and taking measurements, etc?
Posted by DieSmilen
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Member since Dec 2007
1779 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 3:15 pm to
side note, I had an issue with an agent who was bumping sales prices in a subdivision that she had listed. The sales price would be 135,000 and she would go in the MLS and change it to 145,000. Then a lazy appraiser would come along and use it as a comprable, for other purchases based on the MLS price alone and not even go to the court house to verify. Kind of crappy, and the stupid agent didn't think she was doing anything wrong, "I felt the home was worth that much" if you take into account all the upgrades.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 3:30 pm to
Classic
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
20722 posts
Posted on 6/23/09 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

a lazy appraiser

Is there another kind? I thought that was a key qualification.
Posted by HeadyMurphey
Los Santos
Member since Jan 2008
17278 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 8:03 am to
quote:

I'm not sure why an appraiser wouldn't know that an addition had been made or renovations had been done. Are appraisals no longer done through the appraiser coming out to the property and taking measurements, etc?


quote:

Realtors say some of these appraisers are not only not local, they don’t even have access to the local MLS. They are doing appraisals using computer models, often incorporating distressed sales as comps, and often not even knowing that the home had extensive renovations or an addition. As a result, the appraisals are coming in far lower than the agreed-upon purchase price.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17211 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 8:58 am to
quote:

Then a lazy appraiser would come along and use it as a comprable, for other purchases based on the MLS price alone and not even go to the court house to verify.


Holy shite. I hope you reported her.

The average residencial appraiser likely uses MLS alone for comps.
Posted by DieSmilen
My Rubbermaid Desk
Member since Dec 2007
1779 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 9:15 am to
yeah both to Realtors Association and Louisiana Real Estate Commission
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17211 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 9:25 am to
quote:

yeah both to Realtors Association and Louisiana Real Estate Commission


I bet they brought the hammer down on her.

LINK

Apparently the Florida Real Estate Commission has no authority over the MLS. I'd venture a guess LREC doesn't either.
This post was edited on 6/24/09 at 9:31 am
Posted by DieSmilen
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Member since Dec 2007
1779 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 9:51 am to
(18) Representing to any lender, guaranteeing agency, or any other interested party, either verbally or through the preparation of false documents, an amount in excess of the true and actual sale price of the real estate or terms differing from those actually agreed upon.



not sure it would cover this,, is an appraiser and intrested party?
This post was edited on 6/24/09 at 9:55 am
Posted by Shankopotomus
Social Distanced
Member since Feb 2009
21078 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 10:35 am to
quote:

had an issue with an agent who was bumping sales prices in a subdivision that she had listed. The sales price would be 135,000 and she would go in the MLS and change it to 145,000. Then a lazy appraiser would come along and use it as a comprable, for other purchases based on the MLS price alone and not even go to the court house to verify. Kind of crappy, and the stupid agent didn't think she was doing anything wrong, "I felt the home was worth that much" if you take into account all the upgrades


holy shite there is so much wrong with this
Posted by Shankopotomus
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Posted on 6/24/09 at 10:38 am to
quote:

The average residencial appraiser likely uses MLS alone for comps


very untrue, most appraisers actually utilize proper information and do a solid job....it's the few bad apples out there that make the entire industry seem like a lazy buncha bums

any appraiser worth a shite would NEVER use the MLS to gather their information other than preliminary choices for comps
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17211 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

very untrue, most appraisers actually utilize proper information and do a solid job....it's the few bad apples out there that make the entire industry seem like a lazy buncha bums


How much do they make per appraisal? $350-400? You are telling me they make a site visit, take photos, measure, locate comps, and make a trip to the courthouse for sales data on said comps, and write/print a report for that amount? Ok well I'm glad I'm not a residential appraiser.
Posted by DieSmilen
My Rubbermaid Desk
Member since Dec 2007
1779 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 2:16 pm to
I know some who turn out 30/40 reports a month. They make between 250-275 per report.
Posted by Buck Magnum
Springdale
Member since Dec 2003
11839 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 5:12 pm to
I have a copy of the report on mine. All that is in there.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
102836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
45866 posts
Posted on 6/24/09 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

I know some who turn out 30/40 reports a month. They make between 250-275 per report.



...and they use MLS for all their data except the pictures of the appraised house.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17211 posts
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:19 am to
quote:

...and they use MLS for all their data except the pictures of the appraised house.


Apparently there is a pay service that has data from the actual sale too. I'm still a pessimist though. I'd say most of them use MLS alone.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133590 posts
Posted on 6/25/09 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I had an issue with an agent who was bumping sales prices in a subdivision that she had listed. The sales price would be 135,000 and she would go in the MLS and change it to 145,000. Then a lazy appraiser would come along and use it as a comprable, for other purchases based on the MLS price alone and not even go to the court house to verify. Kind of crappy, and the stupid agent didn't think she was doing anything wrong, "I felt the home was worth that much" if you take into account all the upgrades.

I told Sis to stop doing that....
Posted by BIGWORMK
BAMA
Member since Dec 2007
48 posts
Posted on 6/27/09 at 8:43 am to
I had a weird issue 5 years ago when I bought my house. It was a foreclosure on the lake that had been vacant for 6 months. When we agreed on the price (which was about $30000 below ask) the appraiser came out and appraised it $10000 above our offer. We asked why it didn't appraise for more and the mortgage company said it's worth more than the appraisal but they can't make it look like too good of a deal (citing some gov't shite).

After we'd been in the house for 6 months we had it reappraised. We had added siding and a metal roof. It appraised for $65000 more than we paid. Why the hell would the mortgage company's guy low ball it so much?
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