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As a Catholic, I view the pope the same as I do the English monarch
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:07 am
Little more than a ceremonial position awarded by man to fulfill the human need for a hierarchal structure. No less susceptible to the temptation of corruption as any other sinner. Far from “perfect” or in any way comparable to Jesus Himself.
Jesus was pretty clear in stating that Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was founded, not “the first rock of many more to come”.
Statements like “God doesn’t bless those who raise the sword”… (see David, Constantine, etc.) show him to be nothing but a political hack who contributes to the pussification of not only the Catholic Church (alignment with the Democrat liberal ideology) but the entirety of western civilization.
Divinity is bestowed upon no man, be weary of any “Catholic” who makes an argument otherwise.
Jesus was pretty clear in stating that Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was founded, not “the first rock of many more to come”.
Statements like “God doesn’t bless those who raise the sword”… (see David, Constantine, etc.) show him to be nothing but a political hack who contributes to the pussification of not only the Catholic Church (alignment with the Democrat liberal ideology) but the entirety of western civilization.
Divinity is bestowed upon no man, be weary of any “Catholic” who makes an argument otherwise.
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Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:08 am to crotiger0307
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Jesus was pretty clear in stating that Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was founded, not “the first rock of many more to come”.
Read Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16 back to back and get back to me.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:11 am to crotiger0307
Sounds like you might want to convert to Christian Orthodoxy which is basically how the Catholic Church was for its first 1000 years before the schism.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:12 am to crotiger0307
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Jesus was pretty clear in stating that Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was founded, not “the first rock of many more to come”.
Please, do tell us when and where Jesus stated this.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:14 am to Timeoday
Never studied the original Greek have you.....
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:15 am to crotiger0307
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Little more than a ceremonial position awarded by man to fulfill the human need for a hierarchal structure. No less susceptible to the temptation of corruption as any other sinner. Far from “perfect” or in any way comparable to Jesus Himself.
Good for you.
Pope John Paul 2 was incredible.
Francis was a puppet
Leo is a puppet.
They're just men. Jesus should always be the focus.
This post was edited on 4/18/26 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:16 am to crotiger0307
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Jesus was pretty clear in stating that Peter was the rock upon whom the Church was founded, not “the first rock of many more to come”.
Noticed you couldn't help yourself to bold the name Peter for emphasis. Not sure what your angle is here. Jesus is the rock and foundation of our faith. Peter was a human being. It is definitely clear that Jesus is the rock/foundation of our faith. Not Peter or anyone else.
1 Corinthians 10
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.
Matthew 7
24 “Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. (Peter ?...nope)
1 Corinthians 3
11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Acts 4:10-11
10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. 11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.
Psalm 118:22
22 The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone.
These and many others clearly show that Jesus is the rock/founadation/cornerstone of the church. Not Peter or any other human being.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:16 am to crotiger0307
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As a Catholic
You need to reflect and repent brother.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:16 am to RollTide1987
We have… You’re kind of proving the Catholic point here… Isaiah 22 isn’t just symbolism, it’s an actual office with authority that continues when one person is replaced. The “key of the house” isn’t a one-time thing, it’s a role.
Then in Matthew 16, Jesus gives Peter the keys and changes his name to Rock. That’s not random language, it’s clearly tying Peter to that same kind of authority.So the real question is… does that role end with Peter, or does it continue like it does in Isaiah 22? If the parallel means anything, it points to succession, not a one-off role.
Additionally, Luke backs this up too. In Luke 22:31–32, Jesus specifically prays for Peter and tells him to strengthen the others after he returns. He singles Peter out again, even after knowing he’ll fail. That’s not just symbolic, that’s leadership.
It’s not just limited to these things, but it’s a good starting point.
Then in Matthew 16, Jesus gives Peter the keys and changes his name to Rock. That’s not random language, it’s clearly tying Peter to that same kind of authority.So the real question is… does that role end with Peter, or does it continue like it does in Isaiah 22? If the parallel means anything, it points to succession, not a one-off role.
Additionally, Luke backs this up too. In Luke 22:31–32, Jesus specifically prays for Peter and tells him to strengthen the others after he returns. He singles Peter out again, even after knowing he’ll fail. That’s not just symbolic, that’s leadership.
It’s not just limited to these things, but it’s a good starting point.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:18 am to KCT
This but…
Francis was a puppet and a heretic. I believe Leo was well intended, but clearly needs to elaborate further so misperceptions are avoided.
Francis was a puppet and a heretic. I believe Leo was well intended, but clearly needs to elaborate further so misperceptions are avoided.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:19 am to crotiger0307
You’re a bad Catholic. But that probably makes it easier to be a Christian.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:30 am to Timeoday
Matthew 16:18-19
“And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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“And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:32 am to Canon951
Notice you’re omitting the Word of the Lord which specifically dictates what I wrote..
Again, see Matthew 16:18-19. Couldn’t be more clear, coming from Jesus Himself.
Again, see Matthew 16:18-19. Couldn’t be more clear, coming from Jesus Himself.
This post was edited on 4/18/26 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:33 am to crotiger0307
He was talking to Peter. He showed Peter a rock. Peter is not the rock!!
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:34 am to crotiger0307
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Notice you’re omitting the word of the Lord which specifically dictates what I wrote..
Again, see Matthew 16:18-19. Couldn’t be more clear, coming from Jesus Himself.
So how do you crotiger0307 think you are justified before God?
The rule of interpretation is you interpret unclear verses with clear verses. The one you quoted has been subject to much debate for some time. However, taken in the context of the entire bible, it is obvious that Peter is in no way the rock of the church. Jesus is the rock and cornerstone that the church was built from.
...and if you want to dig even deeper, I think it was Peter's statement of faith that Christ was referring to that the gates of hell would not prevail against. Not Peter. He denied Jesus 3 times not long after this.
This post was edited on 4/18/26 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:36 am to crotiger0307
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upon this rock I will build my church
What had Peter just proclaimed?
What role did that proclamation have in Christ’s statement?
What differentiates those who make the same proclamation from Peter? You can refer to Chrysostom if you’d like. I even recommend it.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:36 am to crotiger0307
I stole this from a poster on here. Sorry I don’t remember who.
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2 people you should never trust:
A preacher telling you how to vote, and
A politician telling you how to pray
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:52 am to METAL
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We have… You’re kind of proving the Catholic point here
I know. That's what I was trying to do. The OP is a Catholic who seems to think the papacy is just a ceremonial office and that Peter was just a one of one with no successors following him in his footsteps.
Posted on 4/18/26 at 11:59 am to Canon951
What I think you are misidentifying is that Jesus is the rock of the FAITH. Jesus is the sole figure of the Church yes, but He was a Jew, therefore the CHURCH He spoke of is what was to come after His death and Resurrection in fulfillment of the scripture that preceded Him.
Upon His Ascension, Peter was the one who would “carry the torch” from that point forward by professing the Faith to the community of believers that make up the Church.
Upon His Ascension, Peter was the one who would “carry the torch” from that point forward by professing the Faith to the community of believers that make up the Church.
This post was edited on 4/18/26 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 4/18/26 at 12:06 pm to RollTide1987
Misunderstood. My bad.
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