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Why Iran strikes havent caused a Rebellion in Iran. NY Times

Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:23 pm
Posted by RelicBatches86
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:23 pm
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Israel Thought It Could Spur Rebellion Inside Iran. That Hasn’t Happened.

President Trump’s hopes that an Israeli plan to ignite an internal uprising against Iran’s theocratic government could bring the war to a swift end have so far been dashed.




As the United States and Israel prepared to go to war with Iran, the head of Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence service, went to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with a plan.

Within days of the war’s beginning, said David Barnea, the Mossad chief, his service would likely be able to galvanize the Iranian opposition — igniting riots and other acts of rebellion that could even lead to the collapse of Iran’s government. Mr. Barnea also presented the proposal to senior Trump administration officials during a visit to Washington in mid-January.

Mr. Netanyahu adopted the plan. Despite doubts about its viability among senior American officials and some officials in other Israeli intelligence agencies, both he and President Trump seemed to embrace an optimistic outlook. Killing Iran’s leaders at the outset of the conflict, followed by a series of intelligence operations intended to encourage regime change, they thought, could lead to a mass uprising that might bring about a swift end to the war.


“Take over your government: It will be yours to take,” Mr. Trump told Iranians in his initial address at the war’s start, after saying they should first seek shelter from the bombing.





Three weeks into the war, an Iranian uprising has not yet materialized. American and Israeli intelligence assessments have concluded that the theocratic Iranian government is weakened but intact, and that widespread fear of Iran’s military and police forces has dampened prospects both for nascent rebellion in the country and for ethnic militias outside of Iran to launch cross-border incursions.

The belief that Israel and the United States could help instigate widespread revolt was a foundational flaw in the preparations for a war that has spread across the Middle East. Instead of imploding from within, Iran’s government has dug in and escalated the conflict, striking blows and counterblows against military bases, cities and ships around the Persian Gulf, and against vulnerable oil and gas installations.

Behind the scenes, however, Mr. Netanyahu has expressed frustration that Mossad’s promises to foment revolt in Iran have not materialized. In one security meeting days after the war began, the prime minister vented that Mr. Trump might decide to end the war any day and that Mossad’s operations had yet to bear fruit.

In the run-up to the war, current and former American and Israeli officials said, Mr. Netanyahu invoked Mossad’s optimism about a possibility of an Iranian uprising to help convince Mr. Trump that bringing about the collapse of the Iranian government was a realistic goal.

Many senior American officials, as well as intelligence analysts at the Israel Defense Forces military intelligence agency, AMAN, viewed the Israeli plan for a mass uprising during the conflict with skepticism. U.S. military leaders told Mr. Trump that Iranians would not come out to protest while the United States and Israel were dropping bombs. Intelligence officials had assessed that the possibility of a mass uprising threatening the theocratic government was low, and doubted that the U.S.-Israeli attack would ignite any kind of civil war.

Nate Swanson, a former State Department and White House official who was on the Trump administration’s Iran negotiating team led by Steve Witkoff until July, said he had never seen a “serious plan” to promote an uprising in Iran within the U.S. government in his many years working on Iran policy.

“A lot of protesters are not coming into the street because they’ll get shot,” said Mr. Swanson, now at the Atlantic Council. “They’re going to get slaughtered. That’s one thing. But the second thing is that there’s a good chunk of people who just want a better life, and they’re just sidelined right now. They don’t like the regime, but they don’t want to die opposing it. That 60 percent is going to stay home.”

He added, “You still have fervent anti-regime folks, but they’re not armed, and they’re not bringing the majority of the population into the streets.”

Mr. Trump appeared to have arrived at the same conclusion two weeks into the war. On March 12, he noted that Iran has security forces in the streets “machine-gunning people down if they want to protest.”

“So I really think that’s a big hurdle to climb for people that don’t have weapons,” he said on Fox News Radio. “I think that’s a very big hurdle. So it’ll happen, but it probably will be maybe not immediately.”
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 1:24 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:25 pm to
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Israel Thought It Could Spur Rebellion Inside Iran. That Hasn’t Happened.



Yea rebellions are great when there are missiles flying overhead.

You're anti-Iranian war - we get it. But use your logic here.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:27 pm to
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Why Iran strikes havent caused a Rebellion in Iran


One would assume that the people hoping for a new government would prefer not to get blown up in the attempt to blow up the current government. There's plenty of talking points that have some validity but this one that has been making the rounds is really dumb.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:28 pm to
A protest of 50k people in a country with 90 million people doesn’t mean the people want to overthrow their government… that’s common sense
Posted by jammajin
Member since Jul 2024
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:29 pm to
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There's plenty of talking points that have some validity but this one that has been making the rounds is really dumb


consider the source. NYT
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:29 pm to
The US bombed Iraq for 2 months prior to a full invasion.

Who is expecting the people of Iran to rise up in the first month? Especially when the US and Israel are telling everyone to stay home (to reduce civilian casualties)?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:30 pm to
Wow... lol... soooo many wasted words! Trump (and certainly the intelligence networks in Iran) has told the people to stay inside while their leadership is weakened. And when Trump gives the word it's ok to hit the streets, Israel and the US will provide overhead protection.

Will some Iranians still be slaughtered by their government?? Probably, but the fight for freedom isn't without cost.

It's truly ridiculous that we Americans sit over here, safe behind our phones and keyboards stating what Iranians should or shouldn't do! Myself included.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 1:32 pm
Posted by TechBullDawg
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:30 pm to
Maybe Trump told them to chill until the bombing runs have ended?
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:39 pm to
Trump when he announced the bombings 4 weeks ago :
Now is the time to seize control of your destiny, and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is close within your reach. This is the moment for action. Do not let it pass.


a country of 90 million.

millions of anti-regime people are still waiting after 4 weeks of bombings?

not every square of Iran is getting bombed at once. Israel and US hitting military locations. The people know that.

where are the gatherings?

I will ask this question after its
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:48 pm to
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“A lot of protesters are not coming into the street because they’ll get shot,” said Mr. Swanson, now at the Atlantic Council. “They’re going to get slaughtered. That’s one thing. But the second thing is that there’s a good chunk of people who just want a better life, and they’re just sidelined right now. They don’t like the regime, but they don’t want to die opposing it. That 60 percent is going to stay home.”

He added, “You still have fervent anti-regime folks, but they’re not armed, and they’re not bringing the majority of the population into the streets.”



been literally saying this since day 1. it was never going to happen, but somehow donald trump believed it would
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:51 pm to
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Why Iran strikes havent caused a Rebellion in Iran. NY Times


I honestly have no idea...

Oh, hold on...

Could it be because everyone in the military from both united states and Israel including Trump have said note is not the time.

The have constantly said we will tell you when the time is right. Wait till the bombings slow.

I mean maybe, just maybe that is the reason.

I expect nothing better from the new york times but Jesus, pay attention.

You are aware everyone is saying their time is near and then they should take to the streets. But wait till the united states and Israel give the ok.

Maybe that is why.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:52 pm to
At first glance I thought all of those black things were tires piled up as some kind of blockade.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:53 pm to
That's one point of view. If the Iranians never step up it will be true. They may say life in this theocracy is bad, but not that bad. In the mean time we need to destroy their nuclear capacity and then give the country back to whomever.
Posted by LongHornHandy
Member since Jul 2024
312 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:54 pm to
Maybe I’m missing something, but didn’t Iran just kill tens of thousands of people who attempted to rebel a few weeks ago?

Seems like the target audience has been neutralized and we are a bit late to the party.

Unsure if it’s propaganda or truth, but still see stories popping up of more currently being executed.

After watching how people were punished for actions just weeks ago people would obviously be more cautious to not willfully give up their lives.
This post was edited on 3/23/26 at 1:55 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41430 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:55 pm to
It needed to happen months ago. Too late after they killed 30k freedom fighters
Posted by aubie101
Russia
Member since Nov 2010
3750 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:59 pm to
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I honestly have no idea...

Oh, hold on...

Could it be because everyone in the military from both united states and Israel including Trump have said note is not the time.

The have constantly said we will tell you when the time is right. Wait till the bombings slow.

I mean maybe, just maybe that is the reason.

I expect nothing better from the new york times but Jesus, pay attention.

You are aware everyone is saying their time is near and then they should take to the streets. But wait till the united states and Israel give the ok.

Maybe that is why.


Do you actually see anyone saying “wait for the signal”? Because I don’t. I have looked.

There’s a difference between politicians saying vague stuff like “their time is coming” and actually telling people in Iran to hold off until they give a green light. That would be a massive, coordinated thing—and there’s no real evidence of it.

Protests in Iran have always come from internal pressure building up, not because the U.S. or Israel told people when to go. If anything, outside conflict usually makes people rally or stay cautious, not suddenly rise up on cue.

This just feels like people taking general political talk and stretching it into something way more organized than it really is.
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 3/23/26 at 1:59 pm to
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I really think Trump was led to believe this would be quick and relatively painless and cover him in glory.

Might be time to kick Kushner to the curb for good.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19788 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 2:02 pm to
How many times have we been told the locals will take over if we knock the head off the snake and how many times has it actually happened?
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13518 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 2:23 pm to
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You are aware everyone is saying their time is near and then they should take to the streets. But wait till the united states and Israel give the ok.

This is a total fantasy. We are just going to magically say we are done bombing them and the people are going to flood the streets and take down the regime?
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16298 posts
Posted on 3/23/26 at 2:25 pm to
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On March 12, he noted that Iran has security forces in the streets “machine-gunning people down if they want to protest.”

So Israel had no plan for that?

Seems like a target rich environment for suicide drones like Ukraine used against Russian forces.

Israeli forces that appear to be embedded within the regime need to find where those Iranian security forces live.
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