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I just want to know how it got to be that we're still stuck with George Bush.

Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:34 pm
The neocons are the assholes wrecking everything. There’s no “far right.” The issues you care about are characterized as “far right” by neocons so that they may continue to warmonger, and they can ostracize people with opposing political views to the War Machine, Big Banks, and Big Business.

These entities are equally as morally bankrupt as leftists, bc they are also leftists. Collectivism is the absolute devil. Neocon leftists are freaking globalists who want to live in the Tower of Babel. They are collectivists who regard the individual as having no value. The individual is inefficient. These institutions cannot be having anything slow them down, especially not some pesky individuals with needs and wants and hopes and dreams.

To neocons, "individuals" are only useful as economic units for the good of the mythical "all."

Neocons will crush an individual and wreck him just as easily and as quickly as any communist.

I may just be a poor ole country lawyer, lady of a certain age, shouting into the wind on a message board. But I will continue to rage against it as long as there is breath in my body. My God and my country demand it of me.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:37 pm to
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"individuals" are only useful as economic units


Preach!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472485 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:38 pm to
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just want to know how it got to be that we're still stuck with George Bush

You supported a neocon as President

ETA: again
This post was edited on 3/15/26 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by dickkellog
little rock
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:39 pm to
trump is nothing like bush, we're not getting in a ground war with iran.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472485 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:40 pm to
I told these people over and over Trump was not different and they wouldn't listen. Now they act shocked that I was right (again) and pretend there was no way to know.

Soon you'll have the ultimate cope response ("so you're saying Kamala was a better choice?!?")
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
8384 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:41 pm to
Iran has been needing to be sorted out for a long time now. It's really pretty simple, you don't get to attack Americans and American interest for 50 years unchecked. You can't allow a nation that sponsors terrorism around the world to develop nuclear weapons. And when a country slaughters 35,000 of its own citizens for protesting someone needs to step in and do something about it.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17199 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:41 pm to
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trump is nothing like bush, we're not getting in a ground war with iran.


Well if we do - then you can bet your arse that it's a bunch of neocons who decided it was a fantastic idea.

I legit don't understand the necessity of this war, any more than I understood the necessity of the war in Iraq.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
9576 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:43 pm to
Having proper voting and standing against children having their genitalia mutilated, is not “far right”. It’s not even left or right. For the usual senators to stand in the way means it’s about something far more sinister.

How do we get out of this hole? Some contracts need to be made with Michael Corleone
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6384 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:45 pm to
Empire management is a tricky thing. I'm not privy to every reason we got to war, but ultimately it's about ensuring economic stability. We must dominate the world or the whole house of cards comes crumbling down. This is why we invest so heavily in our military. It's not for home defense. It's for backing up our pressure tactics. We destabilize countries and profit from the loans and resource extraction.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
67172 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:46 pm to
I actually thought he was different, but I just didn't take into account that he made a deal with certain powerful people to win again and insulate him from attack. Scott Horton got into some of that here. I liked Scott's attitude about everything. He said he never voted for Trump, but always supported him. Scott said the country needed a a new direction in response to Dem insanity, but he knew the neocon lobby was going to get to Trump. ETA, I queued it up to that part.
This post was edited on 3/15/26 at 1:50 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:47 pm to
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I'm not privy to every reason we got to war, but ultimately it's about ensuring economic stability

This Iran War is much more likely to lead to negative economic consequences
Posted by TigerBait1971
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:49 pm to
Somebody got into the Mimosa's at lunch
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9362 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:50 pm to
Being non-interventionist is a traditionally conservative position. Mr. Republican Senator Robert Taft was adamantly opposed to even joining NATO. The first neocons were in the Democratic Party (Senator Scoop Jackson, Irving Kristol), and then they infiltrated the Republican Party in the late 1980s.
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:51 pm to
I lived on the east coast of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait for 8 years. I had a lot of really great Arab friends. BUT. The religious bad guys in Iran are really, really bad. They only think in terms of death to any one contrary to their opinion. If they had walked away from the nuclear bomb last summer, this action would not have happened. But the Iranians doubled down on the manufacture and would have used it, unlike any country with a nuc in the last 80 years. Its reality
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:51 pm to
Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul were right.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:52 pm to
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This Iran War is much more likely to lead to negative economic consequences


Short-term all war is somewhat costly. Blood and treasure. Though, I suspect the accountants have done the math and determined that for US hegemony this war is justified. Iran is a critical piece of BRICS. Taking them out of the equation swings the power dynamic in our favor.

Trump didn't do this because of simple ego-stroking. This was done because it favored us to do so.
Posted by LeGrosChat
Bangladesh
Member since Feb 2016
637 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:52 pm to
Cheney and Bush told us that once Saddam was gone that the the Iraqi people would be celebrating in the streets and democracy would take hold. It didn’t happen just like they told us Saddam had uranium to make a bomb.

Our government is corrupt regardless of the party in power.
And-if you trust the US government, just talk to the American Indians!!!
Where is the transparency that we accidentally bombed school with children.

Trump raged against the Bush wars when he first ran. I suspect the military machine goaded his ego to bomb Iran.

The majority of Americans don’t even know that Iranians don’t speak Arabic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
472485 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:53 pm to
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. Iran is a critical piece of BRICS.


Holy fricking shite

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Taking them out of the equation swings the power dynamic in our favor.

It's already YUGELY in our favor.

Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4870 posts
Posted on 3/15/26 at 1:55 pm to
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There’s no “far right.”


The meanings of political labels are in the eyes of the beholder. For people who believe that Israel controls the United States of America, I prefer to think of them as morons.
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