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The economic impact from this war will be devastating

Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:42 pm
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4009 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:42 pm
Below is a long but detailed info by a guy named Calvin Frodge. He’s a shipping trader and understands the industry quite well. Recommend the read. shite is scary, wonder where the off ramp is for this administration.

“If Trump is going to individually escort tankers through the strait, you're talking about an enormously expensive operation which requires many ships as well as tight air support

Even a single inexpensive aerial or naval drone can cause extensive damage to a tanker worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Protecting these ships requires overkill. The Houthis during the Red Sea conflict were able to dramatically reduce the number of ships sailing through. Unlike the Red Sea conflict, where ships could take the longer route around the South Africa, there are few other paths to exporting oil and petrochemical products from the Persian Gulf.

The US Navy and Air Force attempted to suppress Houthi interference in Red Sea shipping. In the several years that the Red Sea has been partially blocked, throughput has remained at less than half of pre-conflict levels, with many episodes where throughput dropped to near zero. The houthis were able to score direct hits on many ships. US soldiers and assets were also lost. And this was not against Iran, this was against the Houthis, who do not have the indigenous weapons platform production that Iran has. The Houthis were completely dependent on their pre-conflict storage of weapons and whatever Iran could smuggle to them. And yet, even this faction in one of the poorest countries on earth was able to dramatically impact global maritime flows.

The setup with Iran is exponentially more dangerous. Iran doesn't simply need to attack tankers. And the United States doesn't just need to protect tankers. The United States has to protect all of the upstream energy producing assets that fill those tankers as well. They need to protect the pipelines, the refineries, the petrochemical plants, the storage tanks. And these assets need not only be attacked by drones and missiles. They are easily sabotaged with even a simple wrench. A hand grenade or shoulder-fired weapon at close proximity in exactly the right location can take out an entire oil refinery. Not to mention much more vulnerable assets such as gas production. Thousands of miles of desert pipelines can be sabotaged with a tool as simple as a drill, obtainable from any hardware store.

The cost of protecting each cargo coming out of the Persian Gulf may exceed the total value of the cargo. Not to mention that it puts US ships directly within close proximity of Iranian weapons that can destroy them. The US largely abandoned this escort strategy during the Red Sea conflict. In fact, an entire coalition of US and European naval forces along with Gulf States attempted this against the houthis. The campaign was an utter failure and the ultimate conclusion from US military leadership was that it was much better risk reward to focus on suppressing strike capability. Yet after months of airstrikes Red Sea traffic never fully returned. Attacks continued.

The Trump administration has expressed its intent in not only protecting these cargos but also in artificially manipulating their prices lower. Trump is working against the laws of physics, sound military doctrine, and fundamental economics.

This entire adventure was poorly thought out and calls the entire Islamic world to jihad against America. Trump's attempts to protect the Persian Gulf will result in failure.”
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
39687 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:50 pm to
It’s chi gator, yall.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45639 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:52 pm to
Well, shite. I'm going to sell everything. Will bury my millions in my backyard
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23980 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:55 pm to
He’s the frick arse who tried to run HGRAF into the ground.

Twitter Link

Can’t stand him.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33121 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:58 pm to
This could shift world energy production closer to home, which would be fantastic for US markets

But I’m happy to see a temporary bloodbath for some good long term dip buys soon
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11642 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:28 pm to
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But I’m happy to see a temporary bloodbath for some good long term dip buys soon


Tell that to people who are already out of work (with more to come) that don’t have a pot to piss in to “buy the dip”. It’s like wishcasting for a ‘housing crash’ in that scenario most wouldn’t have liquidity to buy because a housing crisis would be brought on by massive job losses. People don’t think these things through.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33121 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:32 pm to
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Tell that to people who are already out of work (with more to come) that don’t have a pot to piss in to “buy the dip”

I’m not wishing for a long drawn out bear market, I want something like April 2025 tariffs. Short, violent, and resets the market so it can grow to new highs
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73803 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:33 pm to
Some of you people are way too dramatic.

IF the straits stay closed & IF that sends LNG & oil prices up >30% for over 2 weeks then 2 things will happen:

1. The GCC will have every incentive to ensure regime change happens b/c they can never let this happen again

2. The USN will just escort energy fleets daily
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4009 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:40 pm to
What incentive does Iran have to listen to the GCC?

Escorting tankers in this situation is a complicated and dangerous situation.
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
3786 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:41 pm to
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He’s the frick arse

Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16276 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:43 pm to
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US soldiers and assets were also lost.

If you’re talking about Operation Prosperity Guardian, I’m not finding any evidence of combat deaths during that operation (from December 2023 - May 6, 2025), though one sailor did fall overboard as a non combat casualty.

Please elaborate. Why mention a plural number of soldiers when it was a lone non combat death? Does your guy always rely on misleading data?


Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73803 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:46 pm to
It’s just remarkable to me that you only seek out opinions and analyses that confirm your biases. You don’t even try to listen to other viewpoints.

Also, I question your entire premise that short term price shocks are more important to consider than long term goals.

I mean, it’s a week into the operation and you are already talking about “off ramps”. Thank god people like you weren’t in charge in 1941
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4009 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:58 pm to
You didn’t answer the question. Why would Iran cooperate with GCC when they’re under attack?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
73803 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:00 pm to
I’m not talking about cooperating.

If the strait stays closed for long enough and crushes these nations’ economies, these nations will decide to just rip the bandaid off and join the offensive.

The UAE is already close.
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
4009 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:08 pm to
Iran’s land against the straight is extremely mountainous terrain. Regionally proxy groups causing chaos against ships is a challenging issue.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134399 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 2:12 am to
The long text quote posted by ChiGator was written by the same wacky guy who posted the below quote on his X page.

quote:

The only solution that will stabilize the Middle East is for Trump to apologize, resign, and then the US withdraws from the region completely
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10303 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 5:18 am to

We’ve been in an economic war for decades. I am surprised at the number of people that still don’t understand that
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61188 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 6:15 am to
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entire adventure was poorly thought out and calls the entire Islamic world to jihad against America.
one of the most used, yet poorly defined terms in World history.

Haven’t we heard or said this for decades
Posted by theballguy
Un-PC for either side
Member since Oct 2011
35671 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:26 am to
I never plan to sell any of my assets until I need them. When that time comes, they are what they are. I invest in what I understand and stick to good fundamentals that work according to my expectations 100% of the time -- war or no war.

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The economic impact from this war will be devastating



In a word ... So?
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 8:29 am
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
176546 posts
Posted on 3/9/26 at 8:49 am to
Looks like this is y’all’s 2026 Great Depression just like 2025. Be sure to sell everything and miss the rally in a couple of weeks again.
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