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PSA- Stay clear of Stihl and ACE Hardware

Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:23 am
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14885 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:23 am
6 weeks ago, a storm came through and knocked down a big oak and blocked my garage. Gas chainsaw I had, was old as dirt, and the electric one just was too small for this job.

I go to my local ACE Hardware and buy a new Stihl saw. Sales guys says if I by the Stihl premix fuel with it, it doubles my warranty. Well, I need fuel anyway so this was a no brainer. Dropped about $600 on everything. After a few pulls, he demonstrates that it works and I'm on my way to get to work. Used it that day, got most it done with just the biggest part of the trunk left. Finish it up the next day. Last weekend, I get the saw out to take care of another tree that is about ready fall. Go to start the saw and ended up with blisters on my hand from pulling the cord so many times. Thought I had to be doing something wrong, so I re-read the manual and pulled up some Youtube videos. Nope. I was doing everything correctly, so I give up and take it back to ACE. They call me a couple of days later and say it's ready to go.

Here's where the shite hits the fan. They call up the guy who sold it all to me and he's also the guy who works on their stuff. Immediately tells me I owe $60. At first, I thought he was making a joke, then realized he was serious. So of course I ask why it wasn't covered under warranty. He tells me that there was water in the fuel and that's what caused all the problems. I look at him like he has lost his mind and say "You mean the fuel you sold me with the saw was bad, broke my new saw, and that's my fault"? You could almost see the cartoon light bulb go on over his head and immediately said he would waive the repair fee. So now I start asking questions about Stihl fuel and it's quality and how I know now to never buy that crap again. He goes on to say that it's good stuff, but might have froze before they got that shipment indoors and stocked on the shelf. That's when I just bit my tongue, grabbed the saw and left. Gas has a freezing point of -40 degrees! We live in Central Alabama! I've still got about a 1/4 of that bottle left. Guess I have some expensive garbage burning fuel now.

I'm going to call Stihl on Monday and see what they say, and make sure my warranty is still intact, because I have no idea what ACE reported back to them.
Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
2358 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 10:13 am to
Was a number of cases a few years ago of people buying those premix cans, replacing with water, returning for refund and the stores restocking them.
Posted by ToroTiger
Member since Dec 2014
193 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 10:46 am to
Gas left in the saw will go bad over time. If you replace that old gas with new gas, your saw will be much easier to start.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19388 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 10:52 am to
I have an old 025 and a newer MS391, never ran canned fuel except to flush out my pre-mix for storage. Both saws start easily every time on 50:1, Echo RedArmor or Amsoil Saber. I've bought the Stihl oil for the warranty but almost never used it.
Posted by Doofus
Member since Apr 2022
509 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:20 am to
quote:

ended up with blisters on my hand from pulling the cord so many times


Maybe should have worn gloves?
Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3897 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:39 am to
If those metal cans are left outside and not sealed tight, they will get condensate in them. You may want to dump it out and see if it's cloudy or contaminated. It's not anyone's fault, just something to be aware of.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
12932 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 12:14 pm to
Maybe say stay clear of Stihl gas and the person you have been dealing with.

I can walk out and grab my Stihl chainsaw...dump a bit of new gas in...and it'll crank in about five pulls. It hasn't been cranked in about 2 years and It still will crank.
Posted by Cage Fighter Trainee
Member since Aug 2024
279 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 12:30 pm to
I always thought it was normal to have to pull about 100 times to get a Stihl going. I love my Farm Boss but it is a bitch to start when it hasn’t run in a week or more.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48190 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 12:58 pm to
It’s not the sales guy at ace hardware’s fault the fuel was bad. And the repair guy didn’t know you used gas you bought there he just knew it was bad.

You are wildly overreacting. Just use regular gas now it’s no big deal
Posted by tenfoe
Member since Jun 2011
6972 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 1:00 pm to
You bought some bad gas and had an interaction with one dude who might be an a-hole, so now Stihl products and Ace are crap. Got it.

FYI, I have a Stihl chainsaw purchased in 2005 that still cranks on the first pull. Used it as recent as Christmas to cut a couple trees for firewood. Never measured the oil to fuel mixture in 21 years. Just kinda eveball how much oil I’m adding until it looks the right color. Never done be wrong.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48190 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 3:53 pm to
right

Stihl makes the best home chainsaw you can find and every ace hardware I’ve ever encountered has been awesome. OP is way out of line with this
Posted by Penn
Jax Beach
Member since Jan 2008
23667 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 5:44 pm to
All of this

I dislike the part of our world where one interaction causes a complete meltdown in the time space continuum
Posted by tcroot
Member since Jan 2013
371 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 6:08 pm to
quote:

Gas left in the saw will go bad over time. If you replace that old gas with new gas, your saw will be much easier to start.


Not in a week.
Posted by wrongRob
Tampa FL
Member since Oct 2017
1356 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 6:51 pm to
I've let my old farm boss sit so long I've wondered if gas actually goes bad. +1 for a Stihl but I mix my own fuel.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14885 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

Gas left in the saw will go bad over time. If you replace that old gas with new gas, your saw will be much easier to start.
The saw was bought new 6 weeks ago along with the premix fuel..Used it two days, 3rd day it wouldn't start. Told the reason was due to water in the fuel. The fuel I bought with the saw and still have a 1/4 can left of it.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14885 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

It’s not the sales guy at ace hardware’s fault the fuel was bad. And the repair guy didn’t know you used gas you bought there he just knew it was bad.
Sales guy and the repair guy are the same guy. He's also the one who registered the warranty.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
71819 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 7:35 am to
Well, did the fuel in fact have water in it?

Its very possible you put the cap on the can incorrectly and it only takes one night of the right weather for it to get water in it.

You're ultra pissed off about nothing. Get over it.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23996 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 8:39 am to
You can pour fuel in a mason jar (or other clear container) and see if it separates, the water and gas will separate immediately.

Pre mixed fuel is expensive, idk what happened here but there’s no excuse for premix to be bad. It’s usually sealed? And should have a shelf life to guarantee it’s good. I mean it’s like $20/ gallon…it should have some guarantees.

I just found about a 1/5th of a gallon left of pre mix in my garage I forgot about and put it in my pole saw and it fired right up.

ETA: at least 50% of the time with stories like OP’s there’s user error involved to some degree

This post was edited on 3/8/26 at 8:40 am
Posted by ToroTiger
Member since Dec 2014
193 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:02 am to
Sorry, I meant from one season to the next. Not your scenario.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
71819 posts
Posted on 3/8/26 at 9:08 am to
quote:

least 50% of the time with stories like OP’s there’s user error involved to some degree


I bet its more like 90%

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