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The Supreme Court is wrong about Tariffs
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:15 pm
The entire basis of Robert’s opinion is that the word “regulate” does not include levying tariffs because only Congress has the power to levy taxes. This is an extremely flimsy argument for two reasons.
First and foremost, Congress has a long history of delegating tariff power to the President. You can go all the way back to the First Congress during the Washington Administration, when they gave him power to fine individuals for violating his trade restrictions with Indians. Or in 1794 when they gave him the power to embargo all ships in US ports. I can go on and on with examples - Justice Thomas details them in his dissenting opinion. So for Roberts and the majority to suggest that “regulate” can’t possibly include tariffs because of separation of powers, completely ignores historical context.
Along the same lines, the IEEPA gives the President the power to “regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit”… “importation or exportation”. Roberts sees the flaw in his argument and tries to get in front of it by saying, “even though a tariff is, in some sense, less extreme than an outright compulsion or prohibition, it does not follow that tariffs lie on the spectrum between those poles.” Impressive mental gymnastics. So the President can straight up block international trade, but he can’t impose a tariff? This is the logic that so many of you are defending.
You can criticize the IEEPA for transferring too much power to the President, but it’s the law. This idea that only Congress can levy tariffs because the Constitution says so, ignores the common practice of delegating certain legislative powers to the Executive branch. The Founders understood this and established the precedence when it comes to international commerce.
First and foremost, Congress has a long history of delegating tariff power to the President. You can go all the way back to the First Congress during the Washington Administration, when they gave him power to fine individuals for violating his trade restrictions with Indians. Or in 1794 when they gave him the power to embargo all ships in US ports. I can go on and on with examples - Justice Thomas details them in his dissenting opinion. So for Roberts and the majority to suggest that “regulate” can’t possibly include tariffs because of separation of powers, completely ignores historical context.
Along the same lines, the IEEPA gives the President the power to “regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit”… “importation or exportation”. Roberts sees the flaw in his argument and tries to get in front of it by saying, “even though a tariff is, in some sense, less extreme than an outright compulsion or prohibition, it does not follow that tariffs lie on the spectrum between those poles.” Impressive mental gymnastics. So the President can straight up block international trade, but he can’t impose a tariff? This is the logic that so many of you are defending.
You can criticize the IEEPA for transferring too much power to the President, but it’s the law. This idea that only Congress can levy tariffs because the Constitution says so, ignores the common practice of delegating certain legislative powers to the Executive branch. The Founders understood this and established the precedence when it comes to international commerce.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:16 pm to geauxEdO
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his idea that only Congress can levy tariffs because the Constitution says so, ignores the common practice of delegating certain legislative powers to the Executive branch.
That power is only delegated via....statute.
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The Founders understood this and established the precedence when it comes to international commerce.
By passing...statutes.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:18 pm to geauxEdO
And yet, all could have been avoided by simply not using IEEPA.
Such a pointless exercise this was.
Such a pointless exercise this was.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:18 pm to geauxEdO
The problem I have with all of this is that Congress is and has been completely impotent. Thank goodness we have Trump as Commander and Chief because if anything serious were to happen you have one person who can give orders to send forces anywhere to protect our interests. We could have a nuclear attack from Russia or another Pearl Harbor type of attack and Congress would NEVER agree on a declaration of war. THey just can't.. They can't even pass the SAVE act where 80% of Americans Republicans AND Democrats want to see it passed.
There is no hope for anything Congress needs to do..
There is no hope for anything Congress needs to do..
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That power is only delegated via....statute.
Yes, the IEEPA in this case.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:21 pm to geauxEdO
I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:23 pm to geauxEdO
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Yes, the IEEPA in this case.
How many times do you find "tariff" in the IEEPA text?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:24 pm to Brosef Stalin
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
So Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh don’t understand constitutional law?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:25 pm to geauxEdO
They are Supreme Court justices aren't they?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:26 pm to Brosef Stalin
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
History would show they are just as fallible as any other body.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:26 pm to geauxEdO
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The Supreme Court is wrong about Tariffs
I don't like their ruling either, but I'll never claim to be smart enough to say they're wrong. They're infinitely smarter than everyone on this board. Except Kanji or whatever the hell her name is.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:27 pm to geauxEdO
It was a great dissent from Thomas. But the statute never once mentions or even hints at the word "tariff"
Several other statutes do and outrate give Trump the authority to do many of the things he did
Several other statutes do and outrate give Trump the authority to do many of the things he did
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:28 pm to Brosef Stalin
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think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson raises eyebrows with comment that First Amendment 'hamstrings' government
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How many times do you find "tariff" in the IEEPA text?
with that logic, any regulation that doesn’t include the word “regulate” would be unconstitutional.
how is the President supposed to regulate trade? it’s a broad term (flawed one might say) but a good Justice doesn’t apply their own narrow interpretation of it. they are not the policy makers.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:32 pm to geauxEdO
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You can go all the way back to the First Congress during the Washington Administration, when they gave him power to fine individuals for violating his trade restrictions with Indians. Or in 1794 when they gave him the power to embargo all ships in US ports.
Neither of these are tariffs, counselor.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:34 pm to Brosef Stalin
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
Given the history of SCOTUS rulings on 2A issues (that have been reversed) and allowing Roe v Wade (that has been reversed) alone ... your assertion is debatable.
Given the fact that Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson are sitting on the bench ... your assertion is even more debatable.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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It was a great dissent from Thomas. But the statute never once mentions or even hints at the word "tariff"
It is always interesting when “textualists” suddenly want to ignore the text because they really just want to support their tribe. The “text” is only important when it limits the other tribe.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:39 pm to geauxEdO
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So the President can straight up block international trade, but he can’t impose a tariff? This is the logic that so many of you are defending.
The logic of separating powers ?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:40 pm to Friscodog
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We could have a nuclear attack from Russia or another Pearl Harbor type of attack and Congress would NEVER agree on a declaration of war. THey just can't.. They can't even pass the SAVE act where 80% of Americans Republicans AND Democrats want to see it passed.
They're almost all 100% bought or influenced by foreign powers, or by internal lobbies.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:41 pm to Brosef Stalin
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
If that’s what their decisions were based on sure, but they are politically motivated. Unless you really think one of them couldn’t define what a woman is.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:42 pm
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