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The Supreme Court is wrong about Tariffs

Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:15 pm
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
210 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:15 pm
The entire basis of Robert’s opinion is that the word “regulate” does not include levying tariffs because only Congress has the power to levy taxes. This is an extremely flimsy argument for two reasons.

First and foremost, Congress has a long history of delegating tariff power to the President. You can go all the way back to the First Congress during the Washington Administration, when they gave him power to fine individuals for violating his trade restrictions with Indians. Or in 1794 when they gave him the power to embargo all ships in US ports. I can go on and on with examples - Justice Thomas details them in his dissenting opinion. So for Roberts and the majority to suggest that “regulate” can’t possibly include tariffs because of separation of powers, completely ignores historical context.

Along the same lines, the IEEPA gives the President the power to “regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit”… “importation or exportation”. Roberts sees the flaw in his argument and tries to get in front of it by saying, “even though a tariff is, in some sense, less extreme than an outright compulsion or prohibition, it does not follow that tariffs lie on the spectrum between those poles.” Impressive mental gymnastics. So the President can straight up block international trade, but he can’t impose a tariff? This is the logic that so many of you are defending.

You can criticize the IEEPA for transferring too much power to the President, but it’s the law. This idea that only Congress can levy tariffs because the Constitution says so, ignores the common practice of delegating certain legislative powers to the Executive branch. The Founders understood this and established the precedence when it comes to international commerce.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471308 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:16 pm to
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his idea that only Congress can levy tariffs because the Constitution says so, ignores the common practice of delegating certain legislative powers to the Executive branch.


That power is only delegated via....statute.

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The Founders understood this and established the precedence when it comes to international commerce.

By passing...statutes.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
36346 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
And yet, all could have been avoided by simply not using IEEPA.

Such a pointless exercise this was.
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4998 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
The problem I have with all of this is that Congress is and has been completely impotent. Thank goodness we have Trump as Commander and Chief because if anything serious were to happen you have one person who can give orders to send forces anywhere to protect our interests. We could have a nuclear attack from Russia or another Pearl Harbor type of attack and Congress would NEVER agree on a declaration of war. THey just can't.. They can't even pass the SAVE act where 80% of Americans Republicans AND Democrats want to see it passed.

There is no hope for anything Congress needs to do..
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:27 pm
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
210 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:20 pm to
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That power is only delegated via....statute.


Yes, the IEEPA in this case.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
41922 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:21 pm to
I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
471308 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:23 pm to
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Yes, the IEEPA in this case.

How many times do you find "tariff" in the IEEPA text?
Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
210 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:24 pm to
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard


So Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh don’t understand constitutional law?
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
41922 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:25 pm to
They are Supreme Court justices aren't they?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
17860 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:26 pm to
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard


History would show they are just as fallible as any other body.

Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
49842 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:26 pm to
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The Supreme Court is wrong about Tariffs

I don't like their ruling either, but I'll never claim to be smart enough to say they're wrong. They're infinitely smarter than everyone on this board. Except Kanji or whatever the hell her name is.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:29 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128835 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:27 pm to
It was a great dissent from Thomas. But the statute never once mentions or even hints at the word "tariff"

Several other statutes do and outrate give Trump the authority to do many of the things he did
Posted by crimson crazy
Member since Oct 2008
20837 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:28 pm to
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think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard


Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson raises eyebrows with comment that First Amendment 'hamstrings' government

Posted by geauxEdO
Member since Aug 2017
210 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:30 pm to
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How many times do you find "tariff" in the IEEPA text?


with that logic, any regulation that doesn’t include the word “regulate” would be unconstitutional.

how is the President supposed to regulate trade? it’s a broad term (flawed one might say) but a good Justice doesn’t apply their own narrow interpretation of it. they are not the policy makers.
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
25783 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:32 pm to
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You can go all the way back to the First Congress during the Washington Administration, when they gave him power to fine individuals for violating his trade restrictions with Indians. Or in 1794 when they gave him the power to embargo all ships in US ports.

Neither of these are tariffs, counselor.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
42588 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:34 pm to
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard

Given the history of SCOTUS rulings on 2A issues (that have been reversed) and allowing Roe v Wade (that has been reversed) alone ... your assertion is debatable.

Given the fact that Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson are sitting on the bench ... your assertion is even more debatable.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28041 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:36 pm to
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It was a great dissent from Thomas. But the statute never once mentions or even hints at the word "tariff"

It is always interesting when “textualists” suddenly want to ignore the text because they really just want to support their tribe. The “text” is only important when it limits the other tribe.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15942 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:39 pm to
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So the President can straight up block international trade, but he can’t impose a tariff? This is the logic that so many of you are defending.


The logic of separating powers ?
Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
2792 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:40 pm to
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We could have a nuclear attack from Russia or another Pearl Harbor type of attack and Congress would NEVER agree on a declaration of war. THey just can't.. They can't even pass the SAVE act where 80% of Americans Republicans AND Democrats want to see it passed.

They're almost all 100% bought or influenced by foreign powers, or by internal lobbies.
Posted by HughsWorkPhone
Member since Sep 2017
1463 posts
Posted on 2/20/26 at 1:41 pm to
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I think its safe to assume the Supreme Court justices have a better understanding of Constitutional law than anyone on the poliboard


If that’s what their decisions were based on sure, but they are politically motivated. Unless you really think one of them couldn’t define what a woman is.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 1:42 pm
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