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Taxes on 401k after Retirement and Roth
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:07 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:07 am
Plan to retire in 5 years, wife will still have job at around $20k. Was thinking about putting half in Roth going forward but not sure it is worth it as once I retire won't my tax bracket be lower then it is now?
Also lets say after retirement I take out 10k from 401k, how do they figure out how much the tax would be on it? It is just her salary and what i get with ss to figure out what the tax would be on the withdrawal?
Also lets say after retirement I take out 10k from 401k, how do they figure out how much the tax would be on it? It is just her salary and what i get with ss to figure out what the tax would be on the withdrawal?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:31 am to Amblin
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once I retire won't my tax bracket be lower then it is now?
That is completely up to to you. My tax bracket will be significantly lower when I retire and Roth doesn't make much sense for me but everyone's situation is different. I had to stop putting money in a Roth about 10 years into my career.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:37 am to Amblin
If she makes 20k and you take 10k out your 401k then your combined income is still under the 32k standard deduction for married couples. If you add in social security income you would fall into the 10% bracket or possibly 12% depending how much you get from social security. Also have to look at your state tax brackets to see what you would be taxed at the state level. My goal in retirement is to try and avoid the 22% bracket as much as possible but I will most likely have some that fall in that bucket.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:08 am to Redstickbaw
Ok, just making sure I am understanding this mainly for the Roth question if i should start putting some into that but again I think my tax now is going to be higher so I should not do it and get taxed at lower bracket after I retire then taxed on Roth now.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:02 am to Amblin
For most people it makes sense to put pretax money away, not after-tax. By most people I mean middle or lower class.
You should prioritize after tax contributions if you expect your tax burden will increase upon retirement. This is for special people with first world problems.
You should prioritize after tax contributions if you expect your tax burden will increase upon retirement. This is for special people with first world problems.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 11:03 am
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:41 am to Amblin
If you have an after-tax investment account, you should definitely transfer $8k per year from there to a Roth.
Whether to convert traditional IRA rollover to Roth is a more complicated question, but based on what you outlined, I wouldn’t transfer.
Whether to convert traditional IRA rollover to Roth is a more complicated question, but based on what you outlined, I wouldn’t transfer.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:06 pm to Amblin
I plan to use my Roth as tax free income stream.
Not going to touch the principal, but aiming for 1K a month in dividends.
Not going to touch the principal, but aiming for 1K a month in dividends.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:26 pm to Asharad
Under current tax law, you and your wife would be in the 12% federal tax bracket until your income exceeds about $`132,000.
Social Security changes that slightly, usually in the favorable direction.
You should estimate what you think future tax brackets will be, then figure out about how your income will fall into those brackets. I suspect the lower brackets will not change much in the future.
The Roth has many advantages in flexibility, but it probably wouldn't be worth paying 22% or 24% fed taxes now to avoid paying 12% later. It does offer flexibility that can help with RMD's or major purchases/expenses, but it doesn't mean it is automatically better.
Social Security changes that slightly, usually in the favorable direction.
You should estimate what you think future tax brackets will be, then figure out about how your income will fall into those brackets. I suspect the lower brackets will not change much in the future.
The Roth has many advantages in flexibility, but it probably wouldn't be worth paying 22% or 24% fed taxes now to avoid paying 12% later. It does offer flexibility that can help with RMD's or major purchases/expenses, but it doesn't mean it is automatically better.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:38 pm to Amblin
My wife and I are in our mid 70s and have to take Required Minimum Distributions every year. The percentage increases each year. I am really, really, really happy I don't have to take RMDs on our Roths.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 3:43 pm to Asharad
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For most people it makes sense to put pretax money away, not after-tax. By most people I mean middle or lower class.
If low or middle income, why not pay modest taxes today and reep yrs of tax free growth. Besides, no worries about RMDs, IRMAA, SS getting taxed, heirs paying higher rates, tax rates going up etc ...
If in a relatively low bracket now just go ahead and pay it instead of minimizing current tax bill via traditional contributions.
If OP expects only $20k income later then traditional now and convert when low income later.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 4:07 pm to Asharad
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For most people it makes sense to put pretax money away, not after-tax. By most people I mean middle or lower class.
This seems backwards. A low-income person isn't going to have much, if any, income tax liability anyway, so putting money in a Roth means likely tax-free growth. Why would they put pre-tax money (where it doesn't lower their income tax liability) into a traditional IRA only to get taxed on the back end?
Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:51 am to Amblin
Something you may not be thinking about, but may be worth consideration. If you plan on leaving an inheritance to your children or other beneficiaries, the Roth is much more beneficial to them since it doesn't carry a mandatory distribution over a 10 year period and is still tax free to them. This gives them the option of letting it grow for an additional 10 years still tax free before they have to withdraw after 10 years.
If the kids understand how great of a gift a ROTH is it may be worth considering. If they will just cash it out it may be worth you taking advantage of the tax free growth.
If the kids understand how great of a gift a ROTH is it may be worth considering. If they will just cash it out it may be worth you taking advantage of the tax free growth.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 10:37 am to ATOlurker
Wife/I (~40, with 2.5 year old kid) have been doing ROTH to our 401k and IRA (traditional to ROTH conversions recent years) because we are 24% income tax bracket which we feel is pretty low historically for the income we have, but also we expect somewhat sizable pre-tax inheritance things coming our way between (well I guess anytime now) and the next 10-15 years with our parents all between 72-76 currently and both of us only children. We also cant take any deduction for traditional IRA anyways, so just makes sense to convert that to ROTH.
In the end, just dont want the govt to dictate our entire balance of minimum distributions if we were all loaded up in pre-tax especially knowing what the inheritances could be on top of that. Also to pass down to our kid ultimately ROTH is just so much easier for them to deal with.
Even though retirement is a long ways away for us (20+ years), we do expect to spend a lot in retirement travel wise as thats what we both would like to do.
In the end, just dont want the govt to dictate our entire balance of minimum distributions if we were all loaded up in pre-tax especially knowing what the inheritances could be on top of that. Also to pass down to our kid ultimately ROTH is just so much easier for them to deal with.
Even though retirement is a long ways away for us (20+ years), we do expect to spend a lot in retirement travel wise as thats what we both would like to do.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:20 am to ATOlurker
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the Roth is much more beneficial to them since it doesn't carry a mandatory distribution over a 10 year period
Not true. It changed back during Trump's first term.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:33 am to CharlesUFarley
correct it changed but my understanding is you can wait and do a lump sum distribution on the 10th year. I was saying you don't have to take a minimum withdrawal each year like with the traditional IRA or 401k.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:27 pm to ATOlurker
Well then, it is true, but it is easy to read that wrong.
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