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Libertarians seem to have a problem right now
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:48 am
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:48 am
And I say this as someone who leans libertarian.
1. There is no such thing as a "free economy" in the real world:
In the real world - regulations have to kick in at some point, or the "winners" of the system can snowball their resources and gain complete control of the system.
There is no such thing as a "free economy"
Communism proves it on one extreme
Private Equity, crony capitalism, and Monopolies prove it on the other
As long as human nature is involved, something will go out of balance eventually.
2. We have a right to protect ourselves and solidify our defenses in our own hemisphere
The Monroe Doctrine isn't some imperialist idea. If a hostile foreign power starts building a military base in the Caribbean or South America, that’s basically in the U.S.’s front yard. It makes the country a lot more vulnerable to things like invasion pressure or blockades.
We need to make sure no major rival can set up shop close enough to become an immediate threat. We have every right to put countries next door to us in their place. You'd think the Cuban Missile Crisis would be enough evidence for this.
Basically, the hardcore libertarians who are crying right now are either retarded, ignorant, or aren't really libertarian at all, but democrats in disguise.
1. There is no such thing as a "free economy" in the real world:
In the real world - regulations have to kick in at some point, or the "winners" of the system can snowball their resources and gain complete control of the system.
There is no such thing as a "free economy"
Communism proves it on one extreme
Private Equity, crony capitalism, and Monopolies prove it on the other
As long as human nature is involved, something will go out of balance eventually.
2. We have a right to protect ourselves and solidify our defenses in our own hemisphere
The Monroe Doctrine isn't some imperialist idea. If a hostile foreign power starts building a military base in the Caribbean or South America, that’s basically in the U.S.’s front yard. It makes the country a lot more vulnerable to things like invasion pressure or blockades.
We need to make sure no major rival can set up shop close enough to become an immediate threat. We have every right to put countries next door to us in their place. You'd think the Cuban Missile Crisis would be enough evidence for this.
Basically, the hardcore libertarians who are crying right now are either retarded, ignorant, or aren't really libertarian at all, but democrats in disguise.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:52 am to theunknownknight
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As long as human nature is involved,
This is what trips up the idealogues
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:53 am to theunknownknight
That’s always been the problem with Libertarians. The things Libertarians want are too unrealistic for a nation that has to be a force in the world. And tbh, the strongest force that’s ever existed.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:53 am to theunknownknight
Maybe not most, but a lot of libertarians will accept market regulation as long as it’s done honestly and with open eyes. As long as politicians say things like “minimum wage will help the low income earner”, then libertarians will rightly call foul since minimum wage hurts the low income earner. This is just an example, but applies to all interventions (price floors, price ceilings, etc).
If the government, for example, said “we’re banning usury. We know it will reduce credit availability for some high risk borrowers at the margin, but we think usury is bad enough to justify that cost” then a lot of libertarians might say fair enough.
If the government, for example, said “we’re banning usury. We know it will reduce credit availability for some high risk borrowers at the margin, but we think usury is bad enough to justify that cost” then a lot of libertarians might say fair enough.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:54 am to theunknownknight
y=Ao * e^kt
Where Ao = libertarian and y=squish.
Where Ao = libertarian and y=squish.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:56 am to theunknownknight
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2. We have a right to protect ourselves and solidify or defenses in our own hemisphere
Only us, or do other countries also have this right?
Also, while libertarians aren't necessarily opposed to this, the anti-neocon sentiment was a part of a much larger population than just libertarians. It was, at least professed, as a MAGA policy plank.
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 7:58 am
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:57 am to theunknownknight
Neither extreme individualism nor extreme collectivism last long in the wild
All things must be in balance.
Aristotle and the Golden Mean is the classic standard that still applies.
All things must be in balance.
Aristotle and the Golden Mean is the classic standard that still applies.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:59 am to TrueTiger
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Neither extreme individualism nor extreme collectivism last long in the wild
I don't think this board has had a legit big-L libertarian since GMorgan
joshnorris is now a hyper religious/MAGA guy
Posted on 1/8/26 at 7:59 am to theunknownknight
They think the US should have open borders but forgets the rest of the world doesn’t play by the same rules.
Same goes for your Rand Paul’s on free trade. Rand wants us to be completely open but forgets the rest of the world doesn’t play by your rules.
Same goes for your Rand Paul’s on free trade. Rand wants us to be completely open but forgets the rest of the world doesn’t play by your rules.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:02 am to dgnx6
The rest of the world doesn't really matter with immigration as much as domestic policy, specifically welfare
These recent scandals in MN should have taught that lesson to many
These recent scandals in MN should have taught that lesson to many
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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libertarian since GMorgan
That's a blast from the past.
What happened to him and Bluevelvet?
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:11 am to theunknownknight
If libertarians ever got their dream free market and small government utopia, it would last for about two weeks before a leftist regime took over.
Libertarians are just as dumb as communists when it comes to ignoring reality. They think we can just create a permanent power vacuum and no one would ever try to take control.
Libertarians are just as dumb as communists when it comes to ignoring reality. They think we can just create a permanent power vacuum and no one would ever try to take control.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:14 am to theunknownknight
The word Libertarians never come to terms with is PRAGMATISM. It's what defeats their arguments because it takes them away from philosophy and into reality where it is actually required. Philosophy requires only belief, living in the real world requires adaptability, compromise and therefore pragmatism.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:14 am to sta4ever
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That’s always been the problem with Libertarians. The things Libertarians want are too unrealistic for a nation that has to be a force in the world. And tbh, the strongest force that’s ever existed.
They’re the biggest group of do nothings there is with zero representation while they say the ones in power do nothing. The views aren’t the problem it’s the outspoken libertarians who are the issue.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Also, while libertarians aren't necessarily opposed to this, the anti-neocon sentiment was a part of a much larger population than just libertarians. It was, at least professed, as a MAGA policy plank.
The means of extracting Maduro were much more acceptable than the regime change war in Iraq though
It was a quick precise operation with minimal collateral damage and it's actually something in our regional sphere of influence
As long as we don't turn South America into another Middle East I have no problem with what we did. And I don't believe we have any intention of doing so because it's not in our interests.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:24 am to Powerman
What happens in the coming weeks and months is critical. If chaos reigns in Venezuela, will we put boots on the ground?
We do know that de-baathification went to crap in Iraq, and the plan became untenable…
We do know that de-baathification went to crap in Iraq, and the plan became untenable…
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:26 am to Powerman
Yep. And its quite a shock to the system to see an administration do something that is baldly and unapologetically in our own self-interest. Rubio expressed it best.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:27 am to theunknownknight
i myself dabbled in libertarianism. not in Nam of course.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:38 am to theunknownknight
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2. We have a right to protect ourselves and solidify or defenses in our own hemisphere
The Monroe Doctrine isn't some imperialist idea. If a hostile foreign power starts building a military base in the Caribbean or South America, that’s basically in the U.S.’s front yard. It makes the country a lot more vulnerable to things like invasion pressure or blockades.
Just remember, though, that the sliding scale of executive enthusiasm over what constitutes a MILITARY threat or not also applies to Americans and the same tactics will be employed. We have too much of a degree of that as it is and the champions of things like limiting free speech, assembly, ramrodding over privacy rights... they'll do it under this new banner of global stratego just as readily as they did when it was Bush and with us or against us terrorism.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 9:40 am to theunknownknight
Libertarianism really only works within a nationalist framework.
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