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I used to be a Herb Jones fan
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 9:48 pm
Don’t see it with him, at all, any more. Defense seems to have declined, and he can’t shoot.
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Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:01 pm to SEC Doctor
He’s a decent enough player on a decent contract, but not a franchise changer by any means. He was always super overrated by most posters on this board. He seems to have regressed instead of improving, as well as become more injury prone.
This post was edited on 1/6/26 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:13 pm to SaintTigerPel
He's only 27 so I think that he can turn it around, but the decline has been brutal. I suspect that he's still not right from last season. Borrego is coaching for a job and tanking doesn't help, but being cautious with his playing time would be a good decision. Let him get right for the 26/27 season.
But the 23/24 version of Herb (elite defense, 42% from deep) would be great for us. And the guy has passion for the game, so I strongly suspect that he can get back to that level, if not better.
But the 23/24 version of Herb (elite defense, 42% from deep) would be great for us. And the guy has passion for the game, so I strongly suspect that he can get back to that level, if not better.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:17 pm to THRILLHO
The issue with Herb is that he's a rhythm player. If he keeps getting these minor injuries that keeps him in and out of the lineup, it's difficult for him to find rhythm especially on offense. It wouldn't be a big deal if we didn't need his offense but we are at a point where every point is needed.
It's a damn shame too because I was hoping last season was a fluke in terms of injuries but it has followed him to this year. And could be a big problem if it continues.
It's a damn shame too because I was hoping last season was a fluke in terms of injuries but it has followed him to this year. And could be a big problem if it continues.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:25 pm to SEC Doctor
Herb shoot awful tonight and he still was the only player other than Jose with a positive +/-. Herb was the only reason our defense wasn't cover your eyes horrible tonight.
Posted on 1/6/26 at 10:33 pm to SaintTigerPel
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He was always super overrated by most posters on this board.
He has an NBA All-Defensive 1st Team on one of the smallest market team that isn’t a contender. He also did that as an elite perimeter player.
That is mad respect in the league.
Just think how ridiculously good he has to be to get that praise as a Pels player when the team isn’t winning.
Draymond Green was getting All-NBA 2nd/3rd Team and All-Star spots playing with a stud team. If Herb was on a contender he would be all over the news.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:03 am to Colonel Flagg
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He has an NBA All-Defensive 1st Team on one of the smallest market team that isn’t a contender. He also did that as an elite perimeter player.
That is mad respect in the league.
Just think how ridiculously good he has to be to get that praise as a Pels player when the team isn’t winning.
Draymond Green was getting All-NBA 2nd/3rd Team and All-Star spots playing with a stud team. If Herb was on a contender he would be all over the news.
The year Herb made all-defensive team, the Pels went 49-33, that's not making it on a non-contender.
It just seems like he hasn't been the same player since that season. Someone posted above that he is 27. That's not old, but it's not real young for the NBA either. This should be his prime.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:25 am to SEC Doctor
He needs to be traded at the deadline while he still has value. He’s become very injury prone and his shot has not bounced back. That extension will start to look bad very soon
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:31 am to SEC Doctor
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It just seems like he hasn't been the same player since that season.
From a shooting perspective, no he has not been the same.
He's still the same difference maker defensively more often than not.
I do think we need to trade him right now.
He's making $14M this year and next, and then he jumps to $21M.
I do think someone like the Lakers or other contenders would love to have him, and it's been no secret that the Lakers want to get Herb.
Dalton Knecht and Maxi Kleber work perfectly for Herb, although i'd want a future 1st as well (2031 is what the Lakers can offer).
I think the Lakers love the idea of having Smart and Herb playing defense while Luka, Lebron and Reeves take turns scoring, and honestly, i think it makes them a strong title contender.
The fact that someone who trades for Herb gets him for 4 more years is why we have to get at least 1 1st round pick for him, if not 2, although i'll take a young player like Knecht and a 1st instead of just 2 firsts.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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From a shooting perspective, no he has not been the same.
He's still the same difference maker defensively more often than not.
I do think we need to trade him right now.
He's making $14M this year and next, and then he jumps to $21M.
I do think someone like the Lakers or other contenders would love to have him, and it's been no secret that the Lakers want to get Herb.
Dalton Knecht and Maxi Kleber work perfectly for Herb, although i'd want a future 1st as well (2031 is what the Lakers can offer).
I think the Lakers love the idea of having Smart and Herb playing defense while Luka, Lebron and Reeves take turns scoring, and honestly, i think it makes them a strong title contender.
The fact that someone who trades for Herb gets him for 4 more years is why we have to get at least 1 1st round pick for him, if not 2, although i'll take a young player like Knecht and a 1st instead of just 2 firsts.
I agree with this take.
Look at Herb's 3-pt shooting percentage by season:
.337
.335
.418
.306
.333
He is who he is as a shooter. The one good season is a clear outlier.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 9:36 am to SEC Doctor
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Look at Herb's 3-pt shooting percentage by season:
.337
.335
.418
.306
.333
He is who he is as a shooter. The one good season is a clear outlier.
Looks like Herb needs to go...assuming we can get a solid offer for him. Guess we'll find out fairly soon. That .306 3-pt shooting percentage might turn out to be the "norm"...from here on.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 9:42 am to Dinky Mulberry
I really wanted this team to work somehow bc I like so many of the players. But that time is now over.
If good offers come in for pretty much anyone on the roster move them. (Except Fears and DQ)
Poole will be here until next bc of his contract.
If good offers come in for pretty much anyone on the roster move them. (Except Fears and DQ)
Poole will be here until next bc of his contract.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 9:50 am to Jar_Jar_80
"Herb shoot awful tonight and he still was the only player other than Jose with a positive +/-. Herb was the only reason our defense wasn't cover your eyes horrible tonight."
I am open to trading Herb. Heck, I am open to trading anyone on a team as abysmal as this one, but I think that even in these days of advanced metrics, defense gets overlooked. At least with Herb, you have somebody playing good defense, making things difficult on your opponent's best wing scorer. Aside from Herb, does anyone on this team play defense? Jose does, but he doesn't start, and he can be a matchup problem because of his size. Anyone else that I am missing?
In short, I hate it that Herb has not been able to (1) stay healthy or (2) recapture his 40% 3PT shooting, but don't undervalue what he does provide, especially with us having so few players who can D up.
I am open to trading Herb. Heck, I am open to trading anyone on a team as abysmal as this one, but I think that even in these days of advanced metrics, defense gets overlooked. At least with Herb, you have somebody playing good defense, making things difficult on your opponent's best wing scorer. Aside from Herb, does anyone on this team play defense? Jose does, but he doesn't start, and he can be a matchup problem because of his size. Anyone else that I am missing?
In short, I hate it that Herb has not been able to (1) stay healthy or (2) recapture his 40% 3PT shooting, but don't undervalue what he does provide, especially with us having so few players who can D up.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 10:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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Dalton Knecht and Maxi Kleber work perfectly for Herb, although i'd want a future 1st as well (2031 is what the Lakers can offer)
That would be an awful trade.
Knecht is almost unplayable and LAL '31 is not an atractive pick.
We can definitely receive a way better offer if he stays healthy for next few weeks.
Everyone jumps on his shooting last night, but overlooking how much better our defense was.
A contender will want him for his defense mainly, not so much for his shooting.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 10:43 am to BGpels
Herb hurt his shoulder in the fourth game last season. Come on now. The team completely falls apart every time he doesn’t play. We need more Herb Jones’, not less. I can’t stand the way this team, organization, fan base ignores defense and then wonders why we constantly lose.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 10:48 am to N.O. via West-Cal
I’m fine keeping Herb, but then Zion needs to go.
We can’t keep trotting out a lineup where Zion doesn’t shoot 3s, DQ isn’t a 3 point threat, and then Herb isn’t one either.
You can’t win with 3 guys on the court who can’t shoot.
Zion is the main issue, and I’m tired of the shitty attempts at building around him b/c it’s difficult, and now with DQ it will be even harder.
We need 3 point shooters on the court at all times and that just doesn’t ever happen.
We can’t keep trotting out a lineup where Zion doesn’t shoot 3s, DQ isn’t a 3 point threat, and then Herb isn’t one either.
You can’t win with 3 guys on the court who can’t shoot.
Zion is the main issue, and I’m tired of the shitty attempts at building around him b/c it’s difficult, and now with DQ it will be even harder.
We need 3 point shooters on the court at all times and that just doesn’t ever happen.
Posted on 1/7/26 at 8:28 pm to TeddyPadillac
I am under the belief—hopefully correct—that Zion is being shopped and will not be around next year. You can’t have a cornerstone salary going to someone you just can’t build around.
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