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Trump supporter - you can check my post history - regarding Venezuela
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:15 am
Everyone on both sides needs to slow their roll about the Venezuela issue.
Everyone can (or should) agree that the military aspect of this was damned near flawless and was/is an impressive display of the capabilities of the U.S. Armed Forces. This was just as much as performance for China and Russia's benefit as anything else (same as the Iran strikes).
As for what's next, it would appear that what the Administration is saying is going to happen seems at odds with what the VP (who is apparently now President [although how she could succeed into an office her predecessor did not hold legitimately is a poser]) of Venzuela is saying.
Now, can she and others be talking a good game with a gun at their heads if they stray from what the US wants? Certainly. But if not, this isn't going to be nearly as neat and clean as what is being suggested.
Will this become Vietnam or Iraq? No. Seems pretty clear that Trump and Co. will not let that happen (i.e., if the VP and others are truly going to resist, they will be removed and replaced quickly).
Just as with anything else, give it time and see how it plays out.
Everyone can (or should) agree that the military aspect of this was damned near flawless and was/is an impressive display of the capabilities of the U.S. Armed Forces. This was just as much as performance for China and Russia's benefit as anything else (same as the Iran strikes).
As for what's next, it would appear that what the Administration is saying is going to happen seems at odds with what the VP (who is apparently now President [although how she could succeed into an office her predecessor did not hold legitimately is a poser]) of Venzuela is saying.
Now, can she and others be talking a good game with a gun at their heads if they stray from what the US wants? Certainly. But if not, this isn't going to be nearly as neat and clean as what is being suggested.
Will this become Vietnam or Iraq? No. Seems pretty clear that Trump and Co. will not let that happen (i.e., if the VP and others are truly going to resist, they will be removed and replaced quickly).
Just as with anything else, give it time and see how it plays out.
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Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:33 am to udtiger
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Just as with anything else, give it time and see how it plays out.
I'm with you. There are only 2 things that I don't want to see happen:
1 - China is emboldened to take Taiwan.
2 - the US taxpayer pays for the reconstruction / rebuild. Let the oil companies, and others, who will profit from this pay the bills.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:35 am to udtiger
China and Russia are well aware of American military capabilities.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:41 am to VOR
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China and Russia are well aware of American military capabilities.
Well, to be fair, Caracas had an air defense network that was supposed to be the pinnacle of eastern bloc tech designed specifically to counter American Air Power. And we just wasted it like it wasn’t even there.
Maybe those shitty F-35s are a bit better than we’re giving them credit for.
And I promise you the eastern bloc nations are paying attention.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:46 am to VOR
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China and Russia are well aware of American military capabilities.
Unquestionably so.
But, a real world demonstration never hurts.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:56 am to TulsaSooner78
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China is emboldened to take Taiwan.
Unless and until
1) the US withdraws its CSGs from the Eastern Pacific theater
Or
2) a Democrat is President
That won't happen.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:02 am to TulsaSooner78
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2 - the US taxpayer pays for the reconstruction / rebuild. Let the oil companies, and others, who will profit from this pay the bills.
Trump said we're keeping their oil. My guess is, we'll assist in rebuilding this country with proceeds from the sell of the oil
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:04 am to udtiger
I think this is a good play by Trump admin. Had they installed their person it might appear as a takeover by US. Keeping someone in office - even temporarily - shows they are wanting to let that nation decide. And this keeps the bad guy (manner of speaking) in the hotlight (spotlight) so when they do have elections people won’t have short memories.
Had they installed someone else then their leftists would have used that as a rally cry before elections. The way its done is good plus we can keep a leash on them yet it won’t allow them to use it during elections.
Hope that makes sense but I think its a good move. Will still keep some stability vs complete anarchy. And with true free elections they can pick who they want.
Had they installed someone else then their leftists would have used that as a rally cry before elections. The way its done is good plus we can keep a leash on them yet it won’t allow them to use it during elections.
Hope that makes sense but I think its a good move. Will still keep some stability vs complete anarchy. And with true free elections they can pick who they want.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:04 am to SWOK Sooner
China position i believe is, why try and see if Trump is their Huckleberry, when they know the next democrat won't be?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:05 am to TulsaSooner78
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China is emboldened to take Taiwan.
The only way China takes Taiwan is from the inside or by a blockade. Anything that relies on amphibious assault is dead in the water, and an airborne exercise can’t be done at the scale needed to win militarily.
The inside part may already be underway, but is the very definition of a long game.
A blockade would run into the issue of free passage of the Taiwan Strait, and that’s where China would find out just how alone and exposed that effort would be.
China may get reunification, but almost certainly not by force.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:12 am to VOR
Well they are now
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:13 am to TulsaSooner78
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1 - China is emboldened to take Taiwan.
Why would this embolden China to take Taiwan? You think China has given a frick about world opinion, international law, what other countries do, etc?
The only thing China calculates when it comes to Taiwan is the response from the US and Japan (and probably Australia). Taking Maduro has zero impact on this calculus, aside from possibly increased fear about actual US capabilities and resolve of this administration.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:14 am to Ag Zwin
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The only way China takes Taiwan is from the inside or by a blockade. Anything that relies on amphibious assault is dead in the water, and an airborne exercise can’t be done at the scale needed to win militarily.
The inside part may already be underway, but is the very definition of a long game.
A blockade would run into the issue of free passage of the Taiwan Strait, and that’s where China would find out just how alone and exposed that effort would be.
China may get reunification, but almost certainly not by force.
Well put.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:14 am to TulsaSooner78
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1 - China is emboldened to take Taiwan.
‘This action will do the opposite for China. This puts them on notice.
More importantly, China is super fricked without Venezuelan energy.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:15 am to udtiger
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Will this become Vietnam or Iraq? No. Seems pretty clear that Trump and Co. will not let that happen (i.e., if the VP and others are truly going to resist, they will be removed and replaced quickly).
This constant removal/destabilization strategy could end up worse.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:17 am to VOR
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China and Russia are well aware of American military capabilities.
And China and Russia were well aware of American military capabilities being compromised at all levels during the Biden administration.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:17 am to Centinel
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Why would this embolden China to take Taiwan? Y
Establishing regional dominance as an international paradigm gives them domain over Taiwan. We couldn't remain ideologically consistent using the rhetoric with Venezuela and then criticize China for making Taiwan its Venezuela.
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You think China has given a frick about world opinion, international law, what other countries do, etc?
This is about the US following the precedent that people are arguing we just set.
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The only thing China calculates when it comes to Taiwan is the response from the US and Japan
And this precednet, if its exists, would prohibit the US from responding.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:17 am to CDawson
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This action will do the opposite for China. This puts them on notice. More importantly, China is super fricked without Venezuelan energy.
They will turn to Russia even more so now. They have no choice
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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This constant removal/destabilization strategy could end up worse.
Constant?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 10:19 am to Y.A. Tittle
He said "removed and replaced quickly".
There are still a LOT of Maduro people in power, and, even ignoring prior ties, who wouldn't want to run an oil-rich country and get super rich?
There are still a LOT of Maduro people in power, and, even ignoring prior ties, who wouldn't want to run an oil-rich country and get super rich?
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