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Is anyone here not happy that Maduro was removed?
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:06 am
I appreciate Chicken providing this platform. I enjoy hearing different opinions and learning from all.
The discussion gets bogged down, however, when people misrepresent our disagreements. So, to clarify on Venezuela, does anybody think that it's a bad thing that Maduro was removed?
I certainly don't. Trump and his Administration did a fantastic job of removing him with only around 40 deaths, none of them Americans (contrast that with the arrest of Norreiga...EXACTLY, weird huh?, thirty years prior).
The discussion gets bogged down, however, when people misrepresent our disagreements. So, to clarify on Venezuela, does anybody think that it's a bad thing that Maduro was removed?
I certainly don't. Trump and his Administration did a fantastic job of removing him with only around 40 deaths, none of them Americans (contrast that with the arrest of Norreiga...EXACTLY, weird huh?, thirty years prior).
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:09 am to IvoryBillMatt
I’m reserving final judgment until we get more clarity on what comes next. As of this morning, I’m happy.
Trump has to be very careful moving forward. The MIC and other bad actors are already calling for an extended occupation.
Trump has to be very careful moving forward. The MIC and other bad actors are already calling for an extended occupation.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:12 am to lurking
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I’m reserving final judgment until we get more clarity on what comes next.
THAT is the issue.
In isolation, Maduro being removed is great.
From an objective analysis, it's not that clear. Removing Saddam and Ghaddafi were also great...in isolation. Big picture did not reflect the same success.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:13 am to IvoryBillMatt
It’s tough to ask that question legitimately when you can’t tell if the dissenters think it’s just a bad move or if it’s a bad move because Trump did it. They’ll all claim the former.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:13 am to IvoryBillMatt
The Maduro Regime remains and that seems to have been the plan. Quite the WTF moment when you realize what they've just done.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:14 am to lurking
quote:this
I’m reserving final judgment until we get more clarity on what comes next.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:14 am to IvoryBillMatt
Any unhappiness with him being removed is purely based on the fact who it was that did the removing.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:15 am to Centinel
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Any unhappiness with him being removed is purely based on the fact who it was that did the removing.
Naw.
There is Pandora's Box potential with any regime change.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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Removing Saddam and Ghaddafi were also great...in isolation. Big picture did not reflect the same success.
You are comparing South American Catholic Christians with third world Muslim savages? Bad start..
If you have even a hint of geopolitical knowledge anyone honest understands this changes everything with China, Russia and Iran.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:18 am to CDawson
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You are comparing South American Catholic Christians with third world Muslim savages? Bad start..
You realize the US has a long history of meddling with South and Central America, right? The vast majority of the time it hasn't ended well.
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If you have even a hint of geopolitical knowledge anyone honest understands this changes everything with China, Russia and Iran.
Changes "everything"? No.
Expands globalism? Likely.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Removing Saddam and Ghaddafi were also great...in isolation.
I would like to think that South America is more civilized than the Middle East and North Africa, making it a silly comparison.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:21 am to IvoryBillMatt
The timing was perfect for me since I recently watched a long interview with an econ professor who fled Venezuela. Not knowing about Trump's plan he stated that if Venezuela ever became a free market democracy again it would become the strongest economy in S. America. They have oil, sea ports, agricultural land and a lot of college educated professionals living abroad who may return home to help rebuild.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:21 am to stout
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I would like to think that South America is more civilized than the Middle East and North Africa, making it a silly comparison.
Again, we have a long history of this in South America. It turns out bad much more often than not.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:25 am to ShoeBang
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It’s tough to ask that question legitimately when you can’t tell if the dissenters think it’s just a bad move or if it’s a bad move because Trump did it. They’ll all claim the former.
On this Board, though, I don't see ANY dissenters. We all seem to agree that it's great that Maduro was removed.
The obvious question is "what comes next?"
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:26 am to IvoryBillMatt
I’m fine with Maduro being removed, but
I do have concerns about what happens next and the possible blowback in this hemisphere and elsewhere…
I do have concerns about what happens next and the possible blowback in this hemisphere and elsewhere…
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:26 am to lurking
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The MIC and other bad actors are already calling for an extended occupation.
you just pulled that out of your a*s
fill out your profile boy, i sick of all of you posters who live nowhere and do nothing, have no age or even a favorite team for that matter.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:27 am to VOR
quote:Any examples of what you envision as this massive blowback for taking a dictator out of a country?
possible blowback in this hemisphere and elsewhere…
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:28 am to VOR
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I'm fine with Maduro being removed, but
I do have concerns about what happens next and the possible blowback in this hemisphere and elsewhere…
Nobody believes you.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:28 am to lurking
quote:My thoughts exactly.
I’m reserving final judgment until we get more clarity on what comes next. As of this morning, I’m happy.
Too many just get high off that initial adrenaline rush, and give ZERO thought to tomorrow or next month.
Posted on 1/4/26 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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It turns out bad much more often than not.
Aside from the failed 2002 coup against Chávez, the U.S. hasn’t backed a regime change in SA since the Cold War. IIRC the last was Peru, and while Peru isn’t perfect, it avoided dictatorship and has a stabilized economy.
This post was edited on 1/4/26 at 9:29 am
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