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The LSU OL was bad but the RBs didn't help them out
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:35 pm
I have criticized the LSU OL and Brad Davis as much as anyone here. I have also said for this season that the LSU RBs...specifically Durham...Jackson when he was running in the past...J Johnson even a little.. need to make cuts at the LOS if the designated run area is clogged up. Watching other teams' RBs, they don't run into the pile. If there is no hole they try to run where there might be one 3 feet to the left or right. Many times, the entire LOS is not clogged up but the LSU RBs need to scan the LOS a lot better. Berry is the best of the lot trying to do that but it is amazing that every other college football team have runners that don't "seek out the pile". Maybe that is on Frank Wilson...I don't know.
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Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:38 pm to NotaStarGazer
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but it is amazing that every other college football team have runners that don't "seek out the pile".
You think every other team in college football has better running backs than LSU?
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:43 pm to NotaStarGazer
Dude, Emmitt Smith couldn’t do anything with this OL. LSU was 124th national ranking in rushing this year.
Defenses crowded the box knowing Nuss has no vertical game, Nuss is a zero run threat, and the only passing game was a straight to the sideline throw. Good luck running.
Defenses crowded the box knowing Nuss has no vertical game, Nuss is a zero run threat, and the only passing game was a straight to the sideline throw. Good luck running.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:47 pm to NotaStarGazer
Harlem Berry definitely didn’t seek out the pile
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:53 pm to LSBoosie
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You think every other team in college football has better running backs than LSU?
Other than Berry, I 100% do believe that. Durham has never shown the track speed which he is supposed to have (I assume due to injuries) and as I have said they have poor LOS vision. I would rather have La Tech's RB Clay Thevenin running the ball than Durham, Jackson, or Johnson. Only Berry IMO is better than Thevenin.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 4:58 pm to Toki Wartooth
Dude, do you watch the LSU games. There was a play in the UH game (1st half, maybe 1st quarter). Durham got the handoff and ran where the play was supposed to do...RG/RT area. He ran into a pile of like 5 players (LSU and UH guys). All he had to do was move 3 feet to the left and there was a hole you could drive a truck through, I was on the phone with my brother at the time and we both said at the same time..."God, did he not see the huge hole just to the left of where he ran?
Deny the obvious all you want...I don't give a shite. But the OL is NOT the only problem with the running game. The LSU RBs need to scan the LOS better and make CUTS if there is an opening. Berry is the only who even tries to do that.
Deny the obvious all you want...I don't give a shite. But the OL is NOT the only problem with the running game. The LSU RBs need to scan the LOS better and make CUTS if there is an opening. Berry is the only who even tries to do that.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:01 pm to Toki Wartooth
Durham ran right into the back of the center on 3 separate occasions during the bowl game.
Go rewatch it.
0 vision by anyone the last 2 seasons not named Berry.
Yall blame the Oline because you dont see massive holes opened up, yet dont understand why we call zone runs.
Go rewatch it.
0 vision by anyone the last 2 seasons not named Berry.
Yall blame the Oline because you dont see massive holes opened up, yet dont understand why we call zone runs.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:05 pm to NotaStarGazer
Going into the Bowl, Durham had a 4.8 YPC average, and his best games came against SEC opponents. I'm not sure how some of you come to conclusions, but I am sure logic has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:07 pm to Pauvetibete
Spot on! That is exactly my point! I have watched so many bowl games this season and I have seen countless times when the OL is not dominating the LOS and yet when the RB sees no hole, they scan the LOS elsewhere. #24 for Michigan has been a perfect example! As I said, the OL is not very good but that is far from the only problem. Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:10 pm to mdomingue
Once again, you actually think "average" is a measurement to swear by. 
I will educate you since you probably didn't see my post about that before. Take away only 5 runs out of over 100 carries and his average drops from 4.8 to 3.2 ypc. Maybe you think 3.2 is a good "average", I don't. I think if we saw his "median yards per carry", it would be quite enlightening.
I will educate you since you probably didn't see my post about that before. Take away only 5 runs out of over 100 carries and his average drops from 4.8 to 3.2 ypc. Maybe you think 3.2 is a good "average", I don't. I think if we saw his "median yards per carry", it would be quite enlightening. 
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:13 pm to NotaStarGazer
Sure. All of that is fine, but even if the RBs vision improved, I doubt LSU is in the top 90 in rushing on the year.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:15 pm to Toki Wartooth
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Defenses crowded the box knowing Nuss has no vertical game,
No they didn’t. They rushed 3-4 all season and still got pressure. That’s why we had no vertical passing game. QBs had no time to throw and, with 7-8 in coverage, you’re not going to pass well. Everything in our offense broke down because of our OL.
No one needed to stack the box against us so they didn’t
This post was edited on 12/31/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:25 pm to Pauvetibete
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Yall blame the Oline because you dont see massive holes opened up, yet dont understand why we call zone runs
I saw on Durhams first carry, the line let the defense through both A gaps before Durham even got the ball. And he tried to split them and ran into the center because it was his only way he could go. You aren’t going to through the massive hole left by the player who went practically unblocked into the backfield. Has Durham had great reads all season, obviously not. But a majority of the time these guys are dealing with unblocked guys through the A and B gaps because our Oline can’t communicate.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:35 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Once again, you actually think "average" is a measurement to swear by
And you choose to dismiss it by taking away his best plays. Curious, can you take away his 5 worst runs and tell what his average would have been? Isn't that how it should work as well?
How about yards after contact? He was the best on the team. After the South Carolina game, he was averaging 3.33 YPC after contact. I don't have the data going forward, but I did read somewhere that his long run against Oklahoma was all after contact.
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I will educate you
I doubt you could educate a kindergartener.
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since you probably didn't see my post about that before.
I generally avoid your posts, since they are often nonsense. I failed to notice who was posting this one.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 5:55 pm to NotaStarGazer
I,asked this about five dozen times during the season
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:11 pm to NotaStarGazer
The right scheme and execution makes big difference. Remember the bowl game earlier this week when the announcer was amazed that LSU QB was not under center on a 4th and inches? He took the snap in the shotgun, and handed it to the RB about 7 yards deep, and the RB was at a dead stop to start. We lost 2 yards. These are such basics that our coaching staff refused to see.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:20 pm to mdomingue
Uh, Math 101 dropout...taking away the LONG runs biases a lot more than a few -3 yard runs. God bless man, did you ever take ANY math course at all! He had 2 51 yard runs for example. Please refer me to some -51 yard runs. BTW, where did I ever criticize his yards after contact? Psst, here's the RELEVANT issue. Do NOT get contacted to begin with. If you can, move along the LOS to find the place to run. That is the real goal.
As far as educating you goes, you obviously are lazy as hell trying to quote stats and obviously didn't even know for the all by 5 of his runs out of over 100, Durham's ypc was 3.2...NOT 4.8.
As far as ignoring my posts usually, please do! My posts deserve better responses than from a lazy poster like you.
As far as educating you goes, you obviously are lazy as hell trying to quote stats and obviously didn't even know for the all by 5 of his runs out of over 100, Durham's ypc was 3.2...NOT 4.8.
As far as ignoring my posts usually, please do! My posts deserve better responses than from a lazy poster like you.
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:28 pm to nealnan8
I agree with your comment about LSU in the shotgun or pistol on 4th and very short. But if you watched a lot of football teams, a LOT of them do the same thing. And the color analysts say exactly the same thing you just said...why in the hell are they doing that.
You brought up a point I meant to say about Durham and Jackson when he was playing. Can't speak for Johnson since I haven't seen him carry enough. Whereas Berry is really quick, Durham has never been quick. He is fast when healthy but even when healthy he is not quick Neither is Jackson. When Berry carries he gets up the LOS much quicker which probably helps an anemic OL hold those blocks just long enough for him to be the better back..
You brought up a point I meant to say about Durham and Jackson when he was playing. Can't speak for Johnson since I haven't seen him carry enough. Whereas Berry is really quick, Durham has never been quick. He is fast when healthy but even when healthy he is not quick Neither is Jackson. When Berry carries he gets up the LOS much quicker which probably helps an anemic OL hold those blocks just long enough for him to be the better back..
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:29 pm to NotaStarGazer
They got handled pretty often by 3 man fronts...
Posted on 12/31/25 at 6:33 pm to NotaStarGazer
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If there is no hole t
IF?…..IF?
Brooooooo….. here was a hole 3 times all year.
The OL was so soft that Barry sanders couldn’t find a hole.
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