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How can we trust autism statistics after seeing how much fraud there is?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:14 am
There has been a debate for years about why the number of kids with autism has skyrocketed, but after seeing what is going on in Minnesota, and likely other states, how can we even remotely believe the numbers?
The arguments have been:
1. There are actually more cases of autism
2. It is diagnosed more, because we pay closer attention and have more data, but it hasn't actually increased
But now there is a third option:
3. The increased cases are completely fake to milk the government out of money
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 9:36 am
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Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:18 am to Bjorn Cyborg
The amount of greed in this country is wild. Idc who does it but it seems very easy to do.
Not to mention one of the most expensive countries to live in.
Not to mention one of the most expensive countries to live in.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:19 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Doctors are majorly at fault with this stuff too. It gives them a consistent patient thru Medicaid.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:20 am to BigEasy92
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The amount of greed in this country is wild. Idc who does it but it seems very easy to do.
I would love to see VA PTSD fraud investigated but no one wants to approach it because of the "but they served their country" narrative and would be seen as unpatriotic
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:20 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You know.. that's a pretty good friken point.
There are a bunch of these autism centers that also get government money.
There are a bunch of these autism centers that also get government money.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:25 am to stout
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I would love to see VA PTSD fraud investigated but no one wants to approach it because of the "but they served their country" narrative and would be seen as unpatriotic
Yep. I see this up close and personal on a day to day basis. People getting 100% disability for life ($4K per month) yet they can still walk/run/play sports and everything any able bodied person can do. To me if you are 100% disabled, you are paralyzed or in a wheelchair or need serious assistance to just live your life on a day-to-day basis
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:29 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You can't. I work with two different people who claim to have "autism". I believe it is one of many affliction that parents paid doctors to give their child a leg up in school. There are also a lot of self diagnosed people out there.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:30 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:good point.
How can we trust autism statistics after seeing how much fraud there is?
3. The increased cases are completely fake to milk to the government out of money
We now know there is false diagnosis in the data. Period. Question is how much.
As far as I'm concerned unless that autism isn't harnessed and weaponized no funds should be received at all. That would introduce a fraud-check into the process organically.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:33 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You can’t really. All these social workers and psychologists need a steady stream of income and this is it.
Nothing makes women bring kids in so they can bill Medicaid and health insurers like autism.
It’s hard for them to say the problem is bad parenting and too much time spent indoors on computers, games and social media. Parents won’t bring them back so they can be billed more.
You can diagnose a healthy kid or person with autism and they keep coming back to pay for more treatment.
Nothing makes women bring kids in so they can bill Medicaid and health insurers like autism.
It’s hard for them to say the problem is bad parenting and too much time spent indoors on computers, games and social media. Parents won’t bring them back so they can be billed more.
You can diagnose a healthy kid or person with autism and they keep coming back to pay for more treatment.
This post was edited on 12/30/25 at 9:38 am
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:35 am to stout
That is a very tough one to tackle.
Although, I know plenty of ppl that have 100% veteran disability working a GS-12 position and a military pension. That’s almost $4k/ month and over $100k/ year plus military pension. I can understand some ppl have a disability but damn.
Something is not right. That’s almost $200k/ year.
Although, I know plenty of ppl that have 100% veteran disability working a GS-12 position and a military pension. That’s almost $4k/ month and over $100k/ year plus military pension. I can understand some ppl have a disability but damn.
Something is not right. That’s almost $200k/ year.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:49 am to stout
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I would love to see VA PTSD fraud investigated but no one wants to approach it because of the "but they served their country" narrative and would be seen as unpatriotic
Even when I have found evidence of someone malingering PTSD the Veteran won't have their disability money taken away.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 9:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Paraphrasing Reagan: “if you want more of something, subsidize it” applies here. This is the grift: some government official, congressman, state rep whatever, creates a subsidy or funding mechanism for some thing, it doesn’t matter what it is, that is immediately followed by an explosion in that thing. Odds are good that some portion of the money flowing to that thing is diverted to the politician who creates the subsidy/funding.
This is happening at every level of government and it wouldn’t surprise me if half of all tax revenue is diverted to fraudulent causes.
This is happening at every level of government and it wouldn’t surprise me if half of all tax revenue is diverted to fraudulent causes.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:02 am to Bjorn Cyborg
How can we trust elections after seeing how much fraud there is?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:03 am to Jugbow
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Doctors are majorly at fault with this stuff too. It gives them a consistent patient thru Medicaid.
That’s a fricking fricking stupid arse statement. Medicaid reimbursements are so low that doctors offices usually lose money seeing medicaid patients. That is why places that aren’t receiving a subsidy for serving underserved communities limit medicaid patients to 20% of their practice.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:04 am to Jugbow
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Doctors are majorly at fault with this stuff too. It gives them a consistent patient thru Medicaid.
Also on the wealthier end of society, it entitles children to special treatment and helpers at school.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:16 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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e has been a debate for years about why the number of kids with autism has skyrocketed, but after seeing what is going on in Minnesota, and likely other states, how can we even remotely believe the numbers? The arguments have been: 1. There are actually more cases of autism 2. It is diagnosed more, because we pay closer attention and have more data, but it hasn't actually increased But now there is a third option: 3. The increased cases are completely fake to milk the government out of money
4. Provide cover for all these folks who commit violent crime
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:16 am to TigerIron
All the schools see is money, they get more from the Feds (and usually the state) for each kid diagnosed. They have "support" systems designed to refer as many kids as possible to get diagnosed.
The explosion in diagnoses started when the criteria for autism was changed in 2013, when the DSM-V was released.
The explosion in diagnoses started when the criteria for autism was changed in 2013, when the DSM-V was released.
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Autism Diagnosis In The DSM-V
That changed in 2013 with the publication of the DSM-V, which heralded a critical shift in psychiatry: valuing a patient’s internal experiences over mere appearances. While the fundamental definition of mental disorder remained the same, the DSM-V considered a person’s internal suffering when evaluating them for clinically significant distress.
For example, in the past a student would have to be failing classes to be considered impaired. But after DSM-V, a student getting As only through intense effort and personal cost--exhaustion, anxiety, and emotional burnout--could also be understood as experiencing impairment.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:19 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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3. The increased cases are completely fake to milk the government out of money
Just to be clear...who is faking the diagnosis? And are they the same people getting money from the government for these fake diagnoses?
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:19 am to WeeWee
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That’s a fricking fricking stupid arse statement. Medicaid reimbursements are so low that doctors offices usually lose money seeing medicaid patients. That is why places that aren’t receiving a subsidy for serving underserved communities limit medicaid patients to 20% of their practice.
Sorry Dr Seuss but it’s still 160 bil each year for children’s Medicaid with 5% having autism vs 2% non Medicaid private insurance having autism.
Posted on 12/30/25 at 10:20 am to Jugbow
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Doctors are majorly at fault with this stuff too. It gives them a consistent patient thru Medicaid.
Yup. Bc if there is one thing I know well, no one reimburses like Medicaid
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