Are people born as an IDIOT, or does it Evolve? Case in Point

He knows better.

He’s hoping YOU don't.

Same as it ever was, since the serpent in the garden.

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Joseph was following a government decree to return to his birthplace of Bethlehem

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You got a lot wrong here. For a census, where the purpose would be to count people and their assets, the government would have the people maybe to return to where they live, not necessarily to where they were born (unless they live where they were born). Also Luke doesn’t say Joseph was born in Bethlehem, only that he was of the lineage of David, an ancestor 1000 years before David… in fact most of the Israelites from a 1000 years before David would have been his ancestor, in the same way you and I probably have Genghis Kahn and Carolus Magnus in our lineages.

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from his current home in Nazareth

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For Luke to make any sense, if Joseph lived in Nazareth (a city which the archaeological evidence shows to have not been populated during the administration of Quirinius), he would have had to be present in Nazareth with all his belongings and livestock and property so it could be counted by the Romans so it could be taxed. There’s no logical or historical reason to travel a great distance so he could be counted where he did not live and had no property.

But if you read Matthew, Joseph already lived in Bethlehem, and when he was returning from his hiding in Egypt, he was returning to where he lived in Bethlehem. The Zoroastrian priests from Persia visited the newborn “king” of the Jews in a house, presumably the house of Joseph where they lived. Not a manger.

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When they got there it was too late to find regular lodging, so the animal barn was the best they could do.

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Read Matthew. Jesus was born in their house where they lived in Bethlehem. No manger, no sheep or donkeys, and no shepherds. Only Zoroastrian priests came to visit to anoint the new king of the Jews. In Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus, the king of Persia, was anointed as Yahweh’s messiah. In Matthew, those Zoroastrian priests who would have anointed the Messiah anointed a new messiah for Israel - that is the symbology. They weren’t “wise men.” Maybe they were wise if they really existed, but in the story (which isn’t historical - that is, it’s a fairy tale) the Magoi were really Zoroastrian priests.

Read the first few chapters of Matthew and Mark and ask yourself if they are telling the same story. Luke has no Magoi, no guiding star, no house in Bethlehem, no King Herod murdering babies, no escape to Egypt. It’s a case of conflicting fairy tales.

The left uses Christianity to bash Christians over the head.


Good thing I know it’s just fiction.


Deport them all.

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That's his only purpose on this board. Obfuscate matters of faith with side quests of meaningless

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You are either incapable of critical thinking or you simply refuse. The world would be a better place if people traded their own gullibility for honesty and evidenced based reason.

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copy pasta

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You’re not even understanding any of my arguments. Personally I think it’s because you don’t want to try. Knowing more about your reality might frighten you. Ignorance is bliss for you, and that’s sad. Oh, and anything I’ve ever copied from any other place is quoted with proper attribution. The source I copy from the most is the ESV Bible on biblehub.com. If you think anything I wrote this morning on this topic was copied from any place or source, good luck finding that source… it would be a miracle, literally.

What a sad sad person you must be.

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Uh oh

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What a sad sad person you must be.

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Did you read and comprehend my post? Doesn’t look like it. There was no substance to your reply.

I lived in Kuwait and Saudi for 8 years, not that far from Israel. The winters are pretty brutal, mid 30's, damp and a 25 mph wind blowing for months. A barn would have been pretty nice, versus a tent.