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America First or Chy-na First?

Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:05 pm
From Erickson's newsletter today.

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On the day the Justice Department arrested several men for trying to smuggle NVIDIA chips into China, the President announced the United States would permit NVIDIA to sell their advanced graphics processing units to China. The United States, by most estimates, right now has a compute advantage over China of 32 to 1. Giving China these chips will reduce the advantage to 1.3 to 1.

\When the Justice Department announced the arrests, the lawyers made the point that this is a national security issue. Whoever controls AI development will control the future. China has more power plants and engineers than us. But we have the computational power and brains China lacks. Now, for a twenty-five percent cut of the sales proceeds, the United States will allow China access to NVIDIA’s advanced chip sets, just not their most advanced chip sets. China wants these chips because China has struggled to develop their own.

To get a sense of the absurdity of the transaction, NVIDIA will ship the chips from Taiwan, where they are made, to the United States for a “security inspection,” then pay a fee that will be structured to avoid looking like an export tax, which is banned by the constitution, then ship the chips to China.

Down in Florida, orange growers are struggling against Huanglongbing (HLB), a fungus brought over from China in the early two thousands, also called orange blight or citrus greening disease. It is killing the orange groves in Florida. In June, a Chinese plant scientist at the University of Michigan and another Chinese scientist were arrested by federal agents for trying to smuggle Fusarium graminearum into the United States. That would be wheat blight, which could wipe out midwestern wheat crops.

In November, three additional Chinese scientists were arrested at the University of Michigan for trying to smuggle other biological pathogens into the United States.
In 2023, federal agents discovered a Chinese biolab in Los Angeles. People tied to the Chinese Communist Party were involved in the operation. A congressional committee found “the illegal biolab contained thousands of samples of labeled, unlabeled, and encoded potential pathogens, including HIV, malaria, tuberculosis, and Covid.” The lab also contained Ebola and, again from the House investigation, the “biolab contained nearly a thousand transgenic mice, genetically engineered to mimic the human immune system. Lab workers said that the mice were designed ‘to catch and carry the COVID-19 virus.’”

Now, after an illegal Chinese biolab was discovered in Los Angeles and almost a dozen Chinese scientists have been arrested for trying to smuggle biological pathogens into the United States and China has so thoroughly hacked our telecommunications networks that governmental officials are being told not to use land line phones and cell phones for sensitive communications, the President will permit NVIDA to sell China chips and all but erase one of our competitive advantages against China.

China is neither a friend nor ally. It is not a trading partner. It is a aggressive nation against whom we are in a cold war. It has compromised our power grids, our telecommunications infrastructure, and attempted to wreck havoc on our agricultural products.

This feels like a surrender under the disguise of business deals. The President has not just talked more openly about abandoning Taiwan. Earlier this week, he tried to rein in the Japanese Prime Minster who, in a strident tone, argued strongly for defending Taiwan. In the latest national security strategy memo, news reports suggest the longer report circulating in the White House envisions a world where the United States partners with India, Japan, China, Russia, and excludes Europe from world affairs. What part of hacking our telecom grid and smuggling pathogens into the United States suggests China wants to be our partner, as opposed to our master?

I understand the President is concerned about NVIDIA stock. The company single handedly makes up about ten percent of the S&P 500. Disrupting it means undermining the stock market. But the President has imposed tariffs for national security concerns and those tariffs have hurt the economy. Giving NVIDIA a pass to give China an advantage makes no sense unless the President has lost the plot.

And if the President has lost the plot, why should anyone show up to support him? He said he was “America First,” but he just put China’s interests first.

Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:07 pm to
Couldn't you find the story from someone who is not an anti-Trumper since 2016?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297309 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:08 pm to
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Couldn't you find the story from someone who is not an anti-Trumper since 2016?


Are you saying the information is false?
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39443 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:12 pm to
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Giving NVIDIA a pass to give China an advantage makes no sense unless the President has lost the plot.

Unless the chips are loaded with virtually undetectable viruses, like those that destroyed a number of Iranian defense and nuclear projects in the past
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109737 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:13 pm to
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Are you saying the information is false?


Probably a good question.

Are you now concerned about potential "trade war" implications on our dealings with China?
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:14 pm to
Erickson last.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:14 pm to
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Are you saying the information is false?
Yes. He's vastly overstating the chip situation.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297309 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:15 pm to
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Are you now concerned about potential "trade war" implications on our dealings with China?


The trade war should always be a concern if you care about this country. There is no potential trade war, we are squarely in the midst of the biggest of my lifetime.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297309 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:16 pm to
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Yes. He's vastly overstating the chip situation.


Thank you. At least someone understands why.

Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2849 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:17 pm to
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Couldn't you find the story from someone who is not an anti-Trumper since 2016?




quote:

Are you saying the information is false?


Gotta kill the message and messenger somehow. Even if it's true.

We're now at the sickening point less than a year in of Trump's regime where it's considered "disloyal" to expose this admin's hypocrisy and middle-finger to REAL America-Firster policies. It's unbelievable to witness.

So now we know what's most important to the Trump-Firsters: Protecting the Emperor and Neocon-Global First policies at all costs.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33463 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:18 pm to
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The United States, by most estimates, right now has a compute advantage over China of 32 to 1. Giving China these chips will reduce the advantage to 1.3 to 1.

How do you even begin to put a value on computing to make this estimation?
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2849 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:20 pm to
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Are you now concerned about potential "trade war" implications on our dealings with China?


Suddenly NOW we're concerned with a trade war with China?

We spotted them a 30 year head start. 90% of computers, electronics and various manufacturing goods have been made there and no one in DC ever said a peep.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
33463 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:20 pm to
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EphesianArmor

You really went off the hyperbole deep end
Posted by JellyRoll
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Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
4592 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:22 pm to
I don’t like this at all.

We haven’t been able to push back on China at all so far.

How about the land that they are buying under shell companies and next to military bases where they have been caught spying on said military bases. It should be illegal for them to purchase land here, period.

They have been stealing patents and duplicating cheaper products and killing our manufacturing sector.

They poisoned us with that sheetrock scam after Hurricane Katrina.

They have a long history of silently poisoning us and making faulty products that have killed babies and people.

Why would we be helping them with technology?

We should be burying them when it comes to high level technologies.

I don’t know why, other than something benefiting Trump on the back-end, would he do this?

I don’t like this….
Posted by TX Tiger
at home
Member since Jan 2004
38019 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:22 pm to
Deep State puppet doing Deep State stuff.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17281 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:26 pm to
Erickson the Great!!

Grifter that is
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109737 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Suddenly NOW we're concerned with a trade war with China?



I've been concerned for a long time, yes.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2849 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:38 pm to
You and I might have been concerned for a long time; we both noted handing off China most of our manufacturing base and computer and electronics years ago and pulled our hair out and the insanity.

My point -- our legislators, Presidents and GOP have NOT cared a whit. (Until now? When the damage is already done? It stinks.)
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2849 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 3:39 pm to
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They [China] have a long history of silently poisoning us and making faulty products that have killed babies and people.

Why would we be helping them with technology?

We should be burying them when it comes to high level technologies.

I don’t know why, other than something benefiting Trump on the back-end, would he do this?

I don’t like this….


Spot on 100%

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