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FDR, Pearl Harbor, The “Great Man” Myth And The True Historical Record…

Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:58 pm
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 7:58 pm
The attack on Pearl Harbor occurred more than eighty years ago and generations of Americans have been formally taught in government schools that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor constituted an unprovoked act of Japanese aggression that caught the United States and the Roosevelt administration entirely by surprise. Yet any objective analysis of the documents contained in the official Congressional inquiry into the security failures that led to the “surprise” attack on Pearl Harbor reveal that this narrative offers a profoundly distorted interpretation of the historical record.

The evidence presented in the official inquiry into Pearl Harbor reveals without question that President Roosevelt and Secretary of War Henry Stimson already knew by December 1, 1941 that Japan considered war with the United States imminent, based on intercepted messages and intelligence about Japanese military movements. Despite this, Roosevelt Administration told the American people that negotiations were ongoing and allowed Congress to adjourn without being warned of the approaching danger.

The Roosevelt Administration then shamelessly allowed the blame for the Pearl Harbor attack to be placed upon General Walter Short and Admiral Husband Kimmel, while brazenly exonerating all the top advisors in the Administration itself. Senators Homer Ferguson and Owen Brewster offered the following comments in the minority report:

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On December 1, 1941, it was known to the Secretary of War and to the President and his close advisors that Japan had informed Hitler on December 1 that war was imminent. They knew this by intercepting the following message from Tokyo to Berlin:

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“….our Empire faces a grave situation and must act with determination. Will Your Honor, therefore, immediately interview Chancellor HITLER and Foreign Minister RIBBENTROP and confidentially communicate to them a summary of the developments. Say to them that lately England and the United States have taken a provocative attitude, both of them. Say that they are planning to move military forces into various places in East Asia and that we will inevitably have to counter by also moving troops. Say very secretly to them that there is extreme danger that war may suddenly break out between the Anglo-Saxon nations and Japan through some clash of arms and add that the time of the breaking out of this war may come quicker than anyone dreams…”


The Secretary of War, the President and his advisors also were fully aware that Japanese military movements were under way and that these movements would involve the United States in war. Notwithstanding this intimate knowledge of the imminence of war, the Secretary of War told the American people as late as December 5 that the negotiations with Japan were still in progress. Also, despite the extreme gravity of the situation, known fully to the War Cabinet, the President permitted the Senate and the House of Representatives to adjourn on December 4 and 5 respectively until noon of December 8 without having informed them of the impending danger to the country…




So despite intercepting a secret communique from the Japanese high command informing Germany of an imminent attack on Anglo-American military forces, the Roosevelt Administration failed to notify the military command of the escalating situation? If this omission was not a deliberate act of military sabotage, it most certainly constitutes a severe case of gross criminal negligence.

Percy L. Greaves was the primary Republican counsel of this Joint Congressional Committee. In Pearl Harbor: The Seeds And Fruits Of Infamy, Greaves offered the following analysis of the facts revealed in the official inquiry:

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…It was obvious that Japan was directly responsible for the attack. However, it is not so easy to determine responsibility for the extent of the Pearl Harbor disaster — the element of surprise, the tragic loss of life, and the catastrophic devastation of ships, planes, etc. The Pearl Harbor commanders, Admiral Kimmel and General Short, were held responsible and publicly blamed for the disaster.

However, it is now apparent that in the final analysis it was President Roosevelt himself, who was truly responsible for Pearl Harbor’s lack of preparedness. It was he who determined U.S. policy and who directed the Secretaries of State, War, and Navy how to implement that policy. The top Washington officials also contributed to the extent of the disaster by not adequately warning Pearl Harbor in a timely manner. Their contributions, however, were sins of omission rather than sins of commission.

An Administration “cover-up,” under the guidance of FDR and with the support of his loyal lieutenants, was apparently aimed at keeping the public from learning of the Administration’s role in failing to keep the Pearl Harbor commanders adequately equipped and informed of the imminence of war with Japan, and of the likelihood that Pearl Harbor could be a target.

Upon a review of the events that took place over the months preceding the attack — as revealed in the several investigations — the top Washington officials had ample reason to expect that a Japanese attack on U.S. territory was imminent. Yet they did not relay that sense of urgency to Kimmel and Short.

It is now evident that the stage was set for a Japanese attack on U.S. territory by President Roosevelt’s decisions and actions. He was responsible for squeezing the Japanese economically until they were forced to try to use force to seize the resources they needed and to prevent the U.S. Fleet from trying to stop them. It was thanks to Roosevelt’s decisions and actions that an unwarned, ill-equipped, and poorly prepared Fleet remained stationed far from the shores of continental United States, at a base recognized by his military advisers as indefensible and vulnerable to attack.

Given that situation, it is not strange that the Fleet was surprised by the attack of Japanese torpedo planes and bombers that fateful Sunday morning, December 7, 1941. And then when the extent of the damage was known, it was Roosevelt who orchestrated a cover-up to make Admiral Kimmel and General Short scapegoats and to conceal any negligence on the part of the administration…




In short, the Roosevelt Administration deceptively told the public that FDR had endeavored to sustain peace with Japan when in truth the Roosevelt administration was debating how to provoke Japan. The Roosevelt Administration further identified scapegoats who could be held responsible for their own failure to alert the military command of the high probability of an impending Japanese attack.

It was a rank act of political cowardice whose primary aim was to cultivate a favorable public perception irrespective of the Roosevelt Administration’s own failures and deceit. To call the Roosevelt narrative we were all taught in high school history class sanitized is a great misnomer; the “Great Man” narrative slavishly bequeathed upon FDR is instead a bastardized and gross distortion of the actual historical record.

This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:06 pm to
In short, Democrats have always been lying scumbags. FDR gave Stalin everything he wanted at Yalta. Alger Hiss was Stalins inside man at Yalta but few know that FDR had been notified that Hiss was undermining the USA.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:15 pm to
The defense of FDR was that he was half dead at Yalta, and wasn't in any position to have a long, drawn out conference. Stalin likely knew this, and Churchill? I don't know, but I imagine he was focused on getting England back up & running after. He couldn't fight Stalin and put FDR on his back at the same time.
Posted by SWOK Sooner
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:27 pm to
Every war we've been in since the Spanish/American war have all started with this same script. War is a racket
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5916 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:37 pm to
1. Thank you for splitting this off.

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The evidence presented in the official inquiry into Pearl Harbor reveals without question that President Roosevelt and Secretary of War Henry Stimson already knew by December 1, 1941 that Japan considered war with the United States imminent, based on intercepted messages and intelligence about Japanese military movements. Despite this, Roosevelt Administration told the American people that negotiations were ongoing and allowed Congress to adjourn without being warned of the approaching danger.

Yes, fully agreed, the question though is did they suspect a massive strike on Pearl Harbor.

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The Secretary of War, the President and his advisors also were fully aware that Japanese military movements were under way and that these movements would involve the United States in war. Notwithstanding this intimate knowledge of the imminence of war, the Secretary of War told the American people as late as December 5 that the negotiations with Japan were still in progress. Also, despite the extreme gravity of the situation, known fully to the War Cabinet, the President permitted the Senate and the House of Representatives to adjourn on December 4 and 5 respectively until noon of December 8 without having informed them of the impending danger to the country…

Yes, holding in reserve that we had broken the Japanese codes was the Crown Jewel of US intelligence.
We had broken Japanese codes since the 1920s which allowed us to read their messages when intercepted.

The preserving of this secret saved tens of thousands of lives, and enabled the US victory at Midway, the shooting down of Yamamoto, and many successful submarine strikes.

So yes, the US government told people we were still negotiating with Japan, because we were, Japan only broke of negotiations after the bombs fell (Due to mistakes at their embassy).

To note JN-25 had been updated by the Japanese Navy on Dec 4th 1941, this was the only way we could have identified Pearl as a target.

But Purple which was used for diplomatic messages was breakable, Roosevelt when he did finally read it (The Dec 6th Message that he read on Dec 7th) did realize it meant war.
The Japanese message can be read here.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/p3.asp


Now there is claims of a different message (the winds message), but USNI covered that.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2009/april/pearl-harbor-warning-never-was

While this is a little cut short I do plan on getting back to it, what was known, when was it known, and how did people react.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 8:40 pm
Posted by Doctor Strangelove
Member since Feb 2018
3341 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:42 pm to
Read Witness by Whitaker Chambers. He had a private meeting with FDR and told him about Alger Hiss and other communist in his cabinet. FDR brushed him off and Chambers surmised it was because FDR was smitten with communism to a large degree.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42292 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:45 pm to
Sadly many in that generation dutifully admired FDR.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:49 pm to
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... and Churchill?


Nothing but a cigar chomping drunk. The media created that fat slob!!
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:24 pm to
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Nothing but a cigar chomping drunk. The media created that fat slob!!

You are profoundly ignorant to believe that.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10454 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:25 pm to
What everybody always leaves out of these conspiracy theory narratives about Pearl Harbor is the context that the oft quoted intercepted message was one of dozens—if not hundreds—of intercepted messages they got in the months leading up to the bombing.

Some said that Japan would be focusing attention on the Philippines after breaking off diplomatic relations. Others said Russia. Still others said Thailand. One said the entire West Coast of the United States. Some said they were just increasing intel gathering in those areas. Some were correctly interpreted to be false alarms. But that brings us to...

The other fact that is always left out of the conspiracy porn is the obvious fact that the messages were all encoded and had to be broken. The quoted message was decoded in a day. It had 14 parts. The confidence that the message was decrypted correctly was not 100%. It probably wasn't even close. They had already decrypted other messages (obviously incorrectly) that led them to believe that if Japan did attack somewhere soon it would be somewhere in Europe.

In context, it's not strange at all that FDR fumbled Pearl Harbor. It's unfortunate but it's not strange, not nefarious, not suspicious, and above all it is not obviously deliberate.

This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 9:27 pm
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
62969 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:30 pm to
Well, we also had pilots in China serving as their de facto air force and bombing the shite out of Japanese targets.

But FDR was a POS, for so many reasons. I've never been confused about that.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
42292 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:25 am to
media created?


"My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly."

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
13805 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:53 am to
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Sadly many in that generation dutifully admired FDR.


Rural populations loved FDR, especially the South. His influence lasted long after he was gone, just like the Ghost of Huey P. Long still screws Louisianians.

Conspiracy theories like this are a dime a dozen. Intercepts back then had to be handled by HUMAN hands and eyes only. Copies went via snail mail. It took weeks if not months to properly assess situations.

The number of major Japanese attacks required a LOT of planning and well ahead of time. Not only Pearl Harbor, but Philippines and Hong Kong.were all very major attacks with a shitton of logistical preparation, which we apparently did not have knowledge of.
Posted by pizzathehut
west monroe
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:00 am to
Sadly many in that generation dutifully admired FDR


NOT ME.....crippled POS
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67413 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:02 am to
Your narrative is highly “subjective”
The advance intelligence wasn’t specific , but very general. We only knew with any specificity of Japanese actions in Asia and that they had expansionist ideology. Nothing specific about an attack on America.

There were,in fact, negotiations underway with Japanese emissaries at the time of the attack. It was a gross deception by the Japanese.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:04 am
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:20 am to
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VOR


I knew you would respond to the bat signal to protect your saint.
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
53495 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:45 am to
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In context, it's not strange at all that FDR fumbled Pearl Harbor. It's unfortunate but it's not strange, not nefarious, not suspicious, and above all it is not obviously deliberate.


It's not obviously deliberate, I agree.

But, what nobody in this thread has mentioned is the fact that FDR ordered the redeployment of its main Pacific Fleet from the US West Coast to Pearl Harbor in 1940, during these US-Japan tensions.

From Grok:

"Admiral James O. Richardson, the Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, strongly opposed the decision, arguing that Pearl Harbor was an unsuitable and vulnerable location, and he confronted FDR about it in October 1940, leading to Richardson's eventual relief from command."

FDR wanted to get the USA actively into World War II by 1940. He ordered 100 octane gasoline to be provided to the RAF's Spitfires. He ordered the USN Atlantic Fleet to fire on German war vessels on sight. The USA was actively helping Britain at this time.

That said, the blame for Pearl Harbor IMHO primarily lies at the feet of the faulty United States Military Command systems of that time. An educated and experienced Command System would have had the US military forces on high alert all over the US West Coast and Pacific Ocean military installations STARTING on the day after Admiral Richardson's warnings to FDR were rebuffed.

FDR wanted war ASAP, yes. But the US military commanders in charge of waging and winning the Nation's wars are more to blame for Pearl Harbor.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74020 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:45 am to
FDR was salvaged by WWII. His policies in many sectors made the depression worse. His working with the Captains of Industry was a ringing success.
Pearl was a failure of DC and Military command. And one hell of swing for the fences by the Empire of Japan.

It seems we were and still are continually miss judged lol
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5916 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:10 pm to
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An educated and experienced Command System would have had the US military forces on high alert all over the US West Coast and Pacific Ocean military installations STARTING on the day after Admiral Richardson's warnings to FDR were rebuffed.


To note we did have an educated and experienced command system.

...

They still made bad decisions.

They didn't think like Richardson.

The British spent all of WW1 at Scalpa Flow.

Hawaii was considered a world away and totally safe by educated and experienced people, who were dead wrong.

Still we could not have stayed on high alert for a year.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
2465 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 1:16 pm to
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these conspiracy theory narratives about Pearl Harbor




The docs and archives are real. It's no "theory" -- Pearl Harbor's slaughter was 100% preventable. The "surprise attack" was the "traumatic event" needed to convince America to support the war against Japan.

The "official narrative" of Pearl is the real "conspiracy".

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it's not strange at all that FDR fumbled Pearl Harbor. It's unfortunate but it's not strange, not nefarious, not suspicious, and above all it is not obviously deliberate.


It is all of that. And more.

You guys can't handle the damnable truth.
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