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Do young people have it harder today? Did Boomers ruin everything?

Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:48 pm
Matthew Yglesias published this in his substack today:

Running the numbers

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the highest-earning people in America continue to be middle-aged men.

They report that “usual weekly earnings were highest for men ages 35 to 54: median weekly earnings were $1,502 for men ages 35 to 44 and $1,520 for men ages 45 to 54.”

So we’re talking $78,000 to $80,000 a year.

About half of Americans live in places larger than Jacksonville, Fla., and about half live in places that are smaller. So let’s say our $80,000-a-year man is living in the Jacksonville area. The Department of Housing and Urban Development calculates what are called Fair Market Rents for each American metro — this means the 40th percentile rent for a home with any given set of characteristics. They say F.M.R. for a three-bedroom home in the Jacksonville area is $2,163. That comes out to about 30 percent of Mr. Median’s annual income.

Can you really get a place to live for that little?

Here’s a lovely three-bedroom home in the East Arlington neighborhood for $2,020 a month, and it’s zoned for an elementary school with a 10-out-of-10 ranking from GreatSchools.
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It’s true that 1,617 square feet is on the small side for, say, a family of five in the contemporary United States. But the average size of a new single family home was 1,289 square feet in 1960 and 1,500 square feet in 1970. Two of your kids are going to need to share a bedroom, but that’s how people lived back in the day.

There’s more to life than housing, of course, but I started there because that’s the largest item in a household budget. Durable goods like furniture, cars, and appliances have all become better and more affordable since the mid-1960s. That’s partially offset by rising prices for things like college tuition, child care, and health care. But in the 1960s, most young people didn’t go to college. The way health insurance works, you only need one worker in your family to get a job-based health plan. And of course, with your wife serving as a full-time homemaker, you don’t need to worry about child care expenses.

The big thing is that, with a larger family, you literally have a bunch of mouths to feed. But the model here is to replicate how people actually lived in the mid-1960s, which is that they dined out much less frequently and also spent a much larger share of their total income on food.


Doing lots of grocery shopping, meal planning, and home cooking — not just dinner almost every night, but packing a lunch at work, and cooking for efficiency and not just for fun — is kind of a pain in the butt. But as with the child care, you have a full-time homemaker on hand to do this. To go to the store and scrutinize prices and make sure to substitute away from expensive items and cook things from scratch. There’s a reason people used to eat all this meatloaf and tuna casserole and potatoes and canned vegetables: They were poorer and trying to stretch their food budgets. But you and your spouse could definitely live like this today, if you wanted to.

The data series for inflation-adjusted personal income (i.e., one person rather than household income that might include two earners) only goes back to 1974, but it’s gone way up since then and economic growth was very robust in the ‘60s. A sole male earner makes more money in 2025 than in 1965 when accounting for inflation.


It’s true that relative prices have shifted, but those shifts have not made it harder to afford a 1960s lifestyle on a single income. The issue is that living that lifestyle — never taking plane trips for vacation, rarely dining out, having a small house — would mean living like a poor person by today’s standards and people don’t want to do that. But that’s because we’ve gotten richer, not poorer.
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:52 pm to
Personally I think blanket blaming entire generations of people is misdirected anger.

People in power are careful architects.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 2:53 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72977 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:55 pm to
Didn't read.

It's harder today because of liberals and decades of liberal policy and globalism. If you want to blame liberal boomers, go right ahead.

Edit- and a healthy dose of corporate greed. Businesses have always been greedy to some extent, but it just seems like the old adage of "corporate responsibility" and "being a good corporate citizen" for whatever that was worth has flown out the window, rather thrown out the window of the tallest corporate skyscraper.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 3:10 pm
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:58 pm to
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Do young people have it harder today? Did Boomers ruin everything?


Purely in the housing market? Yes. The Cantillon Effect and zoning laws' impact on housing prices are very real things w/ very real consequences.

If markets were allowed to work, we had sound money, and the regulatory code we had back in the 60s, prices would be nowhere near as high as they are today, especially in real estate.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71447 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Personally I think blanket blaming entire generations of people is misdirected anger.

It is pointless and ignorant as hell. It is a nonstarter for any serious debate or conversation.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20493 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Personally I think blanket blaming entire generations of people is misdirected anger.

People in power are careful architects.


Yes, I agree

I didn’t read all of it, because I know first hand.

My daughter told me today that the average age of a first home buyer is 38 years old now!

My daughter and husband are both professionals and can only afford a $380 to $400 thousand home at the max now.

A $300 thousand home is a shite hole now
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116678 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:04 pm to
I keep reading about how young adults have to deal with historically high college debt. We boomers had a solution for that back in the 1960s. If you didn't have money for college you skipped college and found a job.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:10 pm to
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Do young people have it harder today?


Yes. By every mathematical measure, yes. Real wages and purchasing power relative to cost of living are WAY down compared to literally any other "modern" generation. By all accounts, youth are living in conditions not seen since the Great Depression. The labor market is broken, housing has never been more expensive, food is unaffordable, people are putting off marriage and children longer and longer due to financial hardship, etc.

The other factor is that boomers were able to start with nothing where as youth of today usually start with massive amounts of debt. Yes, they chose that debt, but usually were extorted into it with little real leverage to avoid otherwise. Not only that, but less was required of boomers at their jobs. Boomers worked shorter hours, fewer days of the year, for FAR more disposable income after work. Zoomers work more hours for less pay, and then have to be accountable to their bosses even when they're not on the clock, and often have to pay out of pocket for the privilege (i.e. still pay for their own phone and internet bills). Boomers not only earned higher wages, but were given pensions and full health benefits. Zoomers are lucky to get healthcare, never get pensions, lucky to even get a 401k, and often have to work multiple jobs. Boomers had single income families living in houses a reasonable commute away from their jobs, while zoomers need multiple incomes just to afford an apartment over an hour away from their multiple jobs.

The last statistical era in which everything was THIS bad for youth was pre-Revolution France. In fact, I believe that if it weren't for the ubiquitous and easy access to pornography and the appearances of democracy, the youth would have already revolted bloodily as they're doing across the third world right now. Don't believe me? Watch what's going on in Mexico. I doubt that government lasts 3 months let alone 6.

Now, for the other side of the coin, is it the boomers' fault? No, it's not. No one "voted for" this. Most of the decisions that screwed our economy long term and created our current orwellian cyberpunk dystopia police state were either bipartisan or made by bureaucrats utterly without regard to the decisions of any elected official with zero accountability to the public. You don't have a say, your father never had a say, and his father never had a say either. Our governments are evil, they're doing it on purpose, and they use entitlements and corporate welfare as a placating mechanism to keep people loyal long enough until their consent is no longer necessary, like a parent bribing their kid with mcdonalds so they'll behave on a long road trip.

Our economy has been systematically dismantled, our culture is being actively erased, and we are being divided along ethnic, religious, cultural, and generational lines so that we fight each other rather than the tyrannical government that is grinding us all into serfs.
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
2712 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:11 pm to
Kids growing up who are adults today were told that if you didn't go to college. That they were a loser.. That's why so many people went to college. It didn't help that the Government basically loaned anyone going to college money.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1918 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:12 pm to
My first house was a shithole in a high crime area. All of my friends bought shithole houses for their first home. Just like a job. Start low and get better.
Too many young people think they are too valuable to live like us older people did when we were young.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:12 pm to
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If you didn't have money for college you skipped college and found a job.


That's because you could actually get hired while doing so.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3062 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:13 pm to
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My daughter and husband are both professionals and can only afford a $380 to $400 thousand home at the max now. A $300 thousand home is a shite hole now
Calling Bravo Sierra on this.

In 1981 the median home was 68,900 interest rate was 16.5% median family income was 22,400. Mortgage payment with nothing down was 962.18 which is 51.6% of monthly family income

Today median home is $400K interest rate is 6.7% median family income is 100K. Payment is about $2600 which is 30% of monthly family income.

They may not be able to afford a home, but its their fault.

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A $300 thousand home is a shite hole now
Tell them to move somewhere else.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3062 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:17 pm to
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That's because you could actually get hired while doing so.
Want to attend college, but can't afford it. Join the military. They will pay you a fair wage AND give you money to attend college when you get out. Or, learn a trade. Welders make good money....

Young people want everything, they want it NOW and they want someone else to provide and PAY for it.
Posted by Doctor B
Member since Jul 2024
1054 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:17 pm to
It feels like things are always difficult. I had $26,000 in student loans on a bachelor's degree. Frankly, I did not feel great about the prospect of being able to pay that back when I was in my early to mid 20s.

A lot of people feel like things suck financially in their 20s.
Posted by Ozarkshillbilly
Missouri Ozarks
Member since Apr 2025
398 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:20 pm to
Not the Boomers fault, but I do think the young generation has it rougher when it comes to purchasing power. Watching illegals and work visas hit the market which drove down wages while increasing housing costs is painful.

I'm a gen X doing pretty well, that said, I'd hate to hit this market if I wasn't already established. So are they doomed, no, they'll just have to adjust because I don't think we'll see nice homes for cheap for a while.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
39847 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:21 pm to
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t. Or, learn a trade. Welders make good money....


The national median annual income for welders is about $51,000
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:21 pm to
You think becoming a welder is free in 2025? A high school student can just say "I'll be a welder!" and it will be so? It takes almost as much schooling to be a welder as it does to be an engineer. A trade school kid today pays more in tuition (adjusted for inflation) than it cost a boomer to go to college as an engineer back in the 1980's.

The military is a good option, always has been thanks to the GI bill. But even you must admit that military service as the only means of giving someone employable skills without starting at zero shows some pretty serious problems with our system right now, no?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69275 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:23 pm to
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I'm a gen X doing pretty well, that said, I'd hate to hit this market if I wasn't already established. So are they doomed, no, they'll just have to adjust because I don't think we'll see nice homes for cheap for a while.


See, you get it. There is a MASSIVE wealth gap between people who started their professional careers before the 2008 financial crisis vs after, and another gap between those who started before Covid vs after Covid. It's not just a step, but a CANYON.
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
21417 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:24 pm to
No, and no.
Oh, and as a boomer, I hope to continue to be the best generation. Since the whatever one that says they were.
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3062 posts
Posted on 12/4/25 at 3:25 pm to
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By every mathematical measure, yes. Real wages and purchasing power relative to cost of living are WAY down compared to literally any other "modern" generation.
Bravo Sierra. I started working at 17 in 1983. Drove 20 miles one way to minimum wage job (3.35 and hour) at McDonalds and paid about a dollar a gallon for gasoline (still living at home). After taxes, I was making probably 2.50 an hour. Today that McDonalds job will pay around $15 here. After taxes you'd get $10. A gallon of gas this morning was 2.52 for me. You can buy 4 gallons of gas with an hours wage today and in 1983 I could buy 2.5 gallons of gas.
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