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The B-17 that flew without a Cockpit. Piloted by crew with Balls of Steel -30 below zero

Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted by EphesianArmor
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:25 pm


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Miraculous and true WW2 story about this generation's guts, tenacity, will to survive impossible odds. Utterly humbling.

These B17s died-hard throughout the war. Built to take a beating, but without fighter escort they were ponderous sitting ducks for the Luftwaffe fighters and flak until too late in the war when the P-51s were unleashed. Sadly over 50,000 of B-17 crews never made it home.



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Amid the chaos of World War II, a B-17 Flying Fortress suffered unimaginable damage, its entire cockpit torn clean off in mid-air. By all accounts, the bomber should have plummeted from the sky instantly. But incredibly, it stayed airborne… for more than ten minutes. What happened next defies belief. This is the astonishing true story of the B-17 that flew without a cockpit.

On a Mission

On July 14, 1944, 24-year-old First Lieutenant Ewald Swanson of the 483rd bomb group was the pilot of the B-17G Flying Fortress nicknamed ‘Mizpah.’ Their mission was to strike at the very heart of the German stronghold in Budapest, Hungary.

As the Flying Fortresses entered Hungary, they were bombarded by relentless curtains of thick flak. Mizpah’s tail was shredded, punching holes into the battle-worn wings. Nonetheless, the formation pressed forward towards their target.

Not Going Down Without a Fight

Seconds away from their target, bombardier 2nd lieutenant Kenneth Dodley successfully releases their bombs, and chaos erupts. A flak 88 round lands squarely on the Mizpah’s nose, which causes it to explode, vaporizing the bombardier and the navigator. The center of gravity also shifts to the tail, causing the airplane to pitch up into a vertical position. Astonishingly, First Lieutenant Ewald Swanson regains control of the battered aircraft and re-enters the formation.

Since there was no cockpit or control column left to maneuver the aircraft, under the screaming command of pilot Swanson, the crew began to fly the aircraft by pulling the exposed control cables by hand.

Despite a significant part of the Mizpah being lost, this Flying Fortress and its crew refused to go down.

However, over 200 Flak 88 guns still had their sights on the formation. Another explosion rattles the B-17, and their number two engine is destroyed. As the Fortress began to lose power and airspeed, Mizpah and her crew, through sheer will and determination, kept the aircraft airborne. The airplane had also fallen behind the formation. For a perilous 10 minutes, the crew battles the control cables to get as far away as possible...

This is only part of this insane story....the rest of the saga is at the link in case YT doesn't load.




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World War Wings and full story




Posted by DustyDinkleman
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:30 pm to
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Since there was no cockpit or control column left to maneuver the aircraft, under the screaming command of pilot Swanson, the crew began to fly the aircraft by pulling the exposed control cables by hand.


The incredible thoughts and actions taken for this to occur can not be overstated.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:42 pm to
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Miraculous and true WW2 story
Miraculous indeed. Hopefully will get bumped Tuesday, on Veterans Day

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Sadly over 50,000 of B-17 crews never made it home.
50,000 airmen ... about 5000 crews
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 12:47 pm to
Amazing stuff. Half of the young people nowadays would go down instantly, but at least be happy they were able to get rid of the problematic “cock”pit
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:20 pm to
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50,000 airmen ... about 5000 crews


Those were irreplaceable young men. It's absolutely heart-wrenching.

And yet still, knowing the odds were against them they dutifully climbed into their B-17s for their mission. The turret-gunners had the worst job (in this video story at YouTube, he was the only one not to make it when the hatch jammed after they were hit and couldn't be freed.)

More from World War Wings on the fate of these courageous bomber crews:

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In 1943, an American airman assigned to a B-17 bomber faced grim statistics. The chance of surviving the required 25 missions was lower than the chance of being killed or severely wounded.

Out of every ten crewmen flying over German territory, eight would not return home....They faced walls of black anti-aircraft fire and waves of enemy fighters. For many, the mission meant not a round trip, but a one-way flight.
. . .
The reality was that bomber crews often stepped into the most dangerous role of the entire conflict. Their loss rates were among the highest in any branch of service during the Second World War.
. . .
Even without flak or fighters, the freezing conditions at high altitude could be deadly. Temperatures dropped to -50°F or colder. The B-17s were unheated, and frostbite, frozen oxygen masks, and jammed guns were common. Missions could last up to ten hours, with the roar of engines, constant vibration, and the ever-present fear of never returning.


Many have pondered why Allied Air Command didn't adjust the mission, prioritize development of long-range Fighter escorts, and pulled back until American casualties weren't so horrific (The Brits got night-time missions; the US got the short end of the stick with day-time missions.)
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:45 pm to
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Many have pondered why Allied Air Command didn't adjust the mission, prioritize development of long-range Fighter escorts, and pulled back until American casualties weren't so horrific
Were Brian Kelly and Joe Sloan running the air force? Too soon?
This post was edited on 11/9/25 at 1:46 pm
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:51 pm to
Hap Arnold (the Army Air Corps general in charge) refused to allow P-38 fighters to be fitted with auxiliary fuel tanks to extend their range to allow them to escort the bombers into Germany. He consigned tons of bomber crews to death and injury.
Posted by bigjoe1
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 1:59 pm to
It's just stunning to see photos and read accounts of young pilots with maybe a year of flight training bringing home heavy bombers shot all to hell with wounded on board. And a few days later flying another mission. It truly was the greatest generation.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 2:18 pm to
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Hap Arnold (the Army Air Corps general in charge) refused to allow P-38 fighters to be fitted with auxiliary fuel tanks to extend their range to allow them to escort the bombers into Germany. He consigned tons of bomber crews to death and injury.



Hard to believe no one overrode Hap Arnold authority on this. The YT vid might have alluded to some instances P-38 escorts with the drop tanks before the P-51s help clean up the mess.

Here is an interest doc from 1939. It notes P-36 / 38 prototype built by Curtiss, but also that they would and could have accommodated fuel drop-tanks, but "The Chief of the Air Army Corp (Hap Arnold?) " wanted Curtiss to a add them without compensation (if I'm reading this right.)

Posted by Lou Loomis
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:10 pm to
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Hard to believe no one overrode Hap Arnold authority on this. The YT vid might have alluded to some instances P-38 escorts with the drop tanks before the P-51s help clean up the mess.


Thankfully, Doolittle changed the tactics and directed the fighters to go after the Luftwaffe in the air and in the ground. Changed the course of the air war and allowed us to crush the fighter corps and gain air supremacy. Arnold’s misguided tactics forced them to stick with the bombers.
Posted by Lou Loomis
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 3:16 pm to
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Were Brian Kelly and Joe Sloan running the air force? Too soon?


I love an untimely, off topic stupid joke that makes no sense.
Posted by secfballfan
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 4:58 pm to
Absolutely inspirational
Posted by Warfox
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Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 5:20 pm to
Stories like this - and others - give great pause to our enemies. They know that despite how spoiled and dull many Americans have become, that deep down we have a fighting spirit and slow-burn dedication that is nothing to trifle with.

The question is will we be able to re-shore manufacturing in time, as this is one of our potentially fatal weaknesses in our ability to successfully wage an actual War.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 5:54 pm to
Despite that lesson having been learned in WW1, and again in the Battle of Britain. Tying the fighters to the bombers might make the bomber crews feel better, but it doesn't accomplish much otherwise.

"The role of the fighter is to find the enemy and shoot him down. All else is rubbish".
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 6:12 pm to
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Thankfully, Doolittle changed the tactics and directed the fighters to go after the Luftwaffe in the air and in the ground. Changed the course of the air war and allowed us to crush the fighter corps and gain air supremacy. Arnold’s misguided tactics forced them to stick with the bombers.


In Feb. of 1944 the 8th and 15th Air Forces began Operation Argument. For a month, they hit pretty much Luftwaffe related targets. Aviation fuel refineries, fuel dumps aircraft and parts factories.
The also changed operational orders. Previously, the fighters were ordered to breakoff pursuit under 15k feet and get back to the bombers. Caught the Germans totally by surprise when they were being pursued into the ground.
In addition the 15th outfitted P-38's {with P-51 escorts] with bombs and drop tanks and ordered low level bombing and strafing attacks on German airfields.
This spelled the beginning of the end fo ther Luftwaffe .
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 8:02 pm to
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The question is will we be able to re-shore manufacturing in time, as this is one of our potentially fatal weaknesses


The greatest vunerability is the 40% of the country that is pulling for the Marxist agenda.
It's hard to win when your internal enemies have seats of power in Congress and throughout the judiciary.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
19804 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 8:40 pm to
Hard truth was Arnold and the other bomber commanders were afraid of anything challenging their theories of bomber tactics and thus reducing their control over those units so regardless of real world outcomes they refused to make obvious improvements to the missions and as a result tens of thousands died.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9944 posts
Posted on 11/9/25 at 8:52 pm to
My grandfather completed his 25 missions. He returned home to live a happy life but later died from a heart attack while duck hunting when I was 4. Always wish I could have talked with him. I have no memories of him. Just photos and stories from my dad and uncles.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/9/25 at 8:55 pm to
Posted by TheRealTigerHorn
Member since Jun 2023
236 posts
Posted on 11/10/25 at 9:48 am to
The P-36 and P-38 are entirely different aircraft designed and built by two entirely different companies, Curtiss and Lockheed, respectively. The P-36 Hawk was obsolete prior to the war. This memo was also written at a time when Hap Arnold had gotten crossways with the FDR admin over aircraft supply to the USAAF, and FDR personally threatened to send Arnold to Guam permanently.

You really can't apply the context of this memo to anything that happened over Europe in '43 and '44.

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