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Friendly reminder Dumars traded away the Pacers' 1st and our 1st next draft
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:40 am
Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:40 am
Shamit Substack article from June
From that moment on, text after text rolled in from league execs, agents, and friends. The friends were simply conducting a wellness check. The execs and agents? They were less friendly.
All for Queen, basically.
From that moment on, text after text rolled in from league execs, agents, and friends. The friends were simply conducting a wellness check. The execs and agents? They were less friendly.
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”That is the worst draft trade I have seen in over a decade,” one Eastern Conference executive lamented.
“They should all be fired next year when that becomes a top 5 pick,” relayed another.
One after another— it was a ruthless bombardment. ”Are they not aware of how good that pick is gonna be?” This line of questioning from one high level executive left me searching for answers across the next few days. Here is what I was able to dig up.
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”Man they were killing them up there,” one agent told me, referring to rival front offices. “They think they (the Pelicans) got F—in idiots in charge. It got so bad, I just felt sorry.” Teams were already jockeying for the privilege to conduct the first trade with the Pelicans as more than one executive jokingly expressed to me that the Pelicans are going to be their first call.
It was the Indiana Pacers that ended up gaining the privilege of being first. When the Pelicans traded the lightly protected 2026 pick from the Pacers for the rights to pick 23 in this draft, rival executives raised their eyebrows. What was the rush to conduct this move while the Pacers were still in the finals? Just hours after Shams broke the trade, the Pacers announced Haliburton has been diagnosed with a calf strain. The optics pointed to a team that had been duped.
All for Queen, basically.
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Posted on 10/29/25 at 6:55 am to SlowFlowPro
The Draft lottery was the one thing that I had to look forward to once the season starts. Now I have nothing. Thanks Joe. Next level dumbassary.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 7:08 am to SlowFlowPro
So everyday there is going to be a new thread, linking the same article, and chicken littling next years draft? Awesome..
So, just to be clear, you wanted to tank this year, for a top 3 pick?
How did that work out for Utah last year?
So, just to be clear, you wanted to tank this year, for a top 3 pick?
How did that work out for Utah last year?
Posted on 10/29/25 at 7:21 am to brmark70816
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So, just to be clear, you wanted to tank this year, for a top 3 pick?
Tank? No. You're trying to insert framing that is not necessary.
The odds of us being good were very low so we just rolled the ball out and let the chips fall where they made. There's no need for any intent to be bad because we were likely going to be very bad naturally. And that's without the injuries we know we're going to have.
What I certainly never, ever wanted to do is deal future draft picks in the way that we did in case that we were really bad.
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How did that work out for Utah last year?
How did it work out for Dallas?
When you're dealing with percentages, the best way to overall increase your chances of landing an elite guy at the top of the draft or to acquire as many likely lottery picks as possible. Joe Dumars believed the opposite was necessary and traded away those assets
People were actually trying to defend it and the queen trade like a week ago. Utter Insanity
Posted on 10/29/25 at 7:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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People were actually trying to defend it and the queen trade like a week ago. Utter Insanity
I'm going to keep defending it, until that pick hits top 3. I like having Queen on this team. I believe we are going to hit 30+ wins, which should make us a borderline bottom 10 team. So that pick could/should hit around #8-12. Yeah, it'll suck not having that selection. But it's not the end of the world.
Plus, I plan on us flipping over another 1/3 of the roster next summer. So, I'm pretty sure we'll add picks/players at that time. We are not being stagnant anymore. I like that we can't tank and have to try. I can't defend total blowouts, like this past game. But I was encouraged by the first two and think there are elements to build on..
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:11 am to brmark70816
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. I like that we can't tank and have to try. I
We are trying...
...and tanking.
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But I was encouraged by the first two and think there are elements to build on..
We are 0-3 and haven't had a particularly hard schedule to start.
Those deals (Which are linked) are moving from "disaster' to "historic, all-time disaster" potential.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are 0-3 and haven't had a particularly hard schedule to start.
I'm not that worried. We have a lot of new pieces and are trying to figure out the best rotations, with how everyone fits together. Green is not making it any better and I believe we'll be moving on from him soon.
I knew the first part of the season would be rough. So I'm not surprised. I don't see any "easy" stretches on the schedule.
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Those deals (Which are linked) are moving from "disaster' to "historic, all-time disaster" potential.
Its pure hyperbole that we can't confirm for many years. There are just too many extenuating factors that can influence the outcome. I can understand people wanting to get out in front of it, to claim they know better. But I dont see any giving alternative solutions.
I know we aren't contenders or even a particularly good team. I anticipate a full rebuild coming very soon. In the meantime, I just want to watch competitive ball and have a few young players i enjoy watching develop. The time to lament our missteps will be plentiful..
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:33 am to SlowFlowPro
This was the last straw to breaking my fandom.
I just cannot care anymore
I just cannot care anymore
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:34 am to Fun Bunch
One of the worst trades I've ever seen. Indefensible.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:44 am to Fun Bunch
I still care but I also understand we are the fricking biggest joke in the NBA officially. The fact Gayle and her inner circle are doing the same to the Saints is just lagniappe to the self-schadenfreude of the Louisiana sports trinity (LSU Football, Saints, Pellies)
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:46 am to ghost2most
It’s not that we gave up a first is that it had no protections on it …. Like I agree with the people who defend the trade cause they love queen as a prospect .. I do too !!! … I don’t want to tank either .. but we are an injury prone organization.. literally our whole team cycles through lengthy injuries all year … You Had To Protect the Pick … at the very least top 3 protected .. that is what made the trade beyond defense in my book …
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:56 am to Dnorma2
Exactly. Queen isn't some generational prospect worthy of unprotected status.
For the "hindsight bias is the right way to judge the trade" crowd, Queen is going to have to be a multiple time All-NBA player to justify this trade, ultimately....possibly MVP-caliber.
For the "hindsight bias is the right way to judge the trade" crowd, Queen is going to have to be a multiple time All-NBA player to justify this trade, ultimately....possibly MVP-caliber.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
The realization that its either Gayle destroying the team, or not having a team at all with another owner...
I just can't care. I will pay attention. I hope they win. I will cheer when I go to a game or 4 this year (for free).
Otherwise I am totally ambivalent. Start winning
I just can't care. I will pay attention. I hope they win. I will cheer when I go to a game or 4 this year (for free).
Otherwise I am totally ambivalent. Start winning
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:19 am to brmark70816
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I'm going to keep defending it, until that pick hits top 3. I like having Queen on this team. I believe we are going to hit 30+ wins, which should make us a borderline bottom 10 team. So that pick could/should hit around #8-12. Yeah, it'll suck not having that selection. But it's not the end of the world.
We’re trying to win and we suck. The western conference is unforgiving. Even with a never coach and good health, this is a deeply flawed roster that will struggle to make the playoffs in game.
The trade is absolutely indefensible and should be a fireable offense to any competent ownership.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:21 am to Dnorma2
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You Had To Protect the Pick … at the very least top 3 protected .. that is what made the trade beyond defense in my book …
The trade doesn't happen with the protections. That's why the Hawks did it. It doesn't make sense for them to make the trade otherwise.
Think about it, they traded a lottery pick to drop out of the top 20. They could have had Queen, who was a projected top 10 pick (but fell a bit). Are you trading back for a 1st next season, that has almost no chance of landing top 5? You are basically getting a pick in the 20s (which you can get cheap) and a future pick that'll either land after #6 or in a future draft. Why would they do that?
It's an over pay. I'll grant that. But it doesn't happen otherwise. That's why you can't separate Queen from the trade. It's all connected..
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:22 am to Fun Bunch
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The realization that its either Gayle destroying the team, or not having a team at all with another owner...
Yep, once I came to that same realization, my fandom took a huge hit.
This ownership essentially tells its fanbase “we don’t care”. So why should I care if they don’t?
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:26 am to brmark70816
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The trade doesn't happen with the protections. That's why the Hawks did it. It doesn't make sense for them to make the trade otherwise.
That’s just a lie. It’s been reported that WE came to them and offered it unprotected upfront. We didn’t even try to put protections on it. They hawks apparently called the Pelicans back multiple times to make sure they were serious because they couldn’t believe that we actually offered that pick unprotected.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:34 am to Balsamic_duck
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That’s just a lie. It’s been reported that WE came to them and offered it unprotected upfront. We didn’t even try to put protections on it. They hawks apparently called the Pelicans back multiple times to make sure they were serious because they couldn’t believe that we actually offered that pick unprotected.
Because that is what it would take. The Hawks GM was our GM last year. You don't think we had conversations about value previous to the draft or we didn't realize what it would take?
This is always the dodge. If I'm lying, do the Hawks trade back from #13 to #22 for a 2026 top-3 protected selection?
I do not think they do. It doesn't make sense for them to do that. You are basically just kicking the can to next year with the chance to move up 5-6 spots (or not get the pick at all)..
Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
did it during the finals and of course when haliburton rips his Achilles. Dumars can’t be trusted
Posted on 10/29/25 at 10:18 am to Macintosh
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did it during the finals and of course when haliburton rips his Achilles. Dumars can’t be trusted
Did it during the finals when you had ZERO reason to act so quickly is the fricking idiotic decision.
can't even anymore.
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