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Hypothetical: if the Saints have the #1 Overall Pick
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:16 pm
Let’s say Shough starts the rest of the year and doesn’t do much better than Rattler. Let’s say he wins 2 games to Rattler’s 1. I know myself and others have been adamant about trading our top 5 pick (which we seem locked for at the moment) down into the 7-8 range to accumulate more picks. The roster needs talent. The state of the roster is abysmal, though there are some bright spots.
But if you get the number 1 overall pick, you have to consider Mendoza, right? Moore has shown flashes for sure but Mendoza seems to have the edge and will probably win the Heisman. I still don’t think taking a QB with the state of the roster would be smart, but you’d still have to consider it, right?
But if you get the number 1 overall pick, you have to consider Mendoza, right? Moore has shown flashes for sure but Mendoza seems to have the edge and will probably win the Heisman. I still don’t think taking a QB with the state of the roster would be smart, but you’d still have to consider it, right?
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:17 pm to WicKed WayZ
If you picking 1, you obviously need qb…that’s the pick
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:21 pm to Champs
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If you picking 1, you obviously need qb…that’s the pick
I think the more successful trend is to get good pieces around a FA vet QB.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:26 pm to WicKed WayZ
This isn’t considered a strong draft. Nobody is going to want to trade up and give us extra picks to jump up to draft…who?
We need more than a QB. The QBs in this draft like Mendoza, Simpson, Mateer, etc. are likely low ceiling QBs that aren’t much better than what we have. They will fail the same way our current ones will. Sellers is the high risk/high reward QB, but you need to have patience with him and make big roster moves to make him successful.
IMO, if you have 1.1 you take the best WR (Tyson, Tate, Brazell) or best pass rusher (Bain, Faulk, Woods). If you have the 4th or 5th pick, feel free to take Downs or a CB. We need all of it.
We need more than a QB. The QBs in this draft like Mendoza, Simpson, Mateer, etc. are likely low ceiling QBs that aren’t much better than what we have. They will fail the same way our current ones will. Sellers is the high risk/high reward QB, but you need to have patience with him and make big roster moves to make him successful.
IMO, if you have 1.1 you take the best WR (Tyson, Tate, Brazell) or best pass rusher (Bain, Faulk, Woods). If you have the 4th or 5th pick, feel free to take Downs or a CB. We need all of it.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:27 pm to Seeker
I agree, but I do not trust Mickey and his group of talent evaluators to make good draft selections.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:27 pm to Seeker
I was in favor of that strategy but with how bad Rattler has been, and how bad Shough COULD be the rest of the season, I don’t know. I feel like you still need talent on the roster and there’s no guarantee - if you pass on QB this time - that there will be a good one the following year.
If you traded the 1 pick for more picks instead of taking Mendoza, you’re essentially punting another season in hopes Arch, Sellers, Lagway or someone else develops out of the blue. And right now, it seems like all three of those guys don’t just need 1 more year but perhaps 2-3. It could all be a moot point because I think the Jets finish with the 1 but it could lead to some hard decisions if the Saints end up with the top pick
If you traded the 1 pick for more picks instead of taking Mendoza, you’re essentially punting another season in hopes Arch, Sellers, Lagway or someone else develops out of the blue. And right now, it seems like all three of those guys don’t just need 1 more year but perhaps 2-3. It could all be a moot point because I think the Jets finish with the 1 but it could lead to some hard decisions if the Saints end up with the top pick
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:29 pm to Suntiger
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The QBs in this draft like Mendoza, Simpson, Mateer, etc. are likely low ceiling QBs that aren’t much better than what we have
I mean if you’ve done any amount of research and listened to any scouting podcasts you’d know that simply isn’t true, at least regarding Mendoza and Moore.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:30 pm to WicKed WayZ
I think it’s more about how Shough looks and commands the offense than numbers or wins per se. if he looks comparable to Rattler, that might be good enough. Rattler has a full year more of pro experience than Shough. Have to assess Shough’s projected development in year 2.
While I like the idea of trading down, you have to find somebody who’s willing to trade up and give up what you’re looking for. That might not be easy.
I’d rather draft best available. If that’s a QB and you think you need one, great. If not, don’t force it.
While I like the idea of trading down, you have to find somebody who’s willing to trade up and give up what you’re looking for. That might not be easy.
I’d rather draft best available. If that’s a QB and you think you need one, great. If not, don’t force it.
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:44 pm to PlacerCoTiger
It will be interesting to see if the Saints go out and sign a veteran free agent quarterback this off-season.
You know at least a quarterback that can come in and compete. Not necessarily someone that you're just going to name the starter the day you sign him
I would think after they did not do that this past off-season that they would not do it two years in a row
You know at least a quarterback that can come in and compete. Not necessarily someone that you're just going to name the starter the day you sign him
I would think after they did not do that this past off-season that they would not do it two years in a row
This post was edited on 10/27/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:48 pm to Seeker
quote:
I think the more successful trend is to get good pieces around a FA vet QB.
I’ve pointed this out several times on this board.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 12:57 pm to WicKed WayZ
This will be said a lot between now and the draft and its simple.
If the HC and the FO believe there is a franchise QB available with the pic you don't hesitate.
If the HC and the FO believe there is a franchise QB available with the pic you don't hesitate.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 1:20 pm to goatmilker
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If the HC and the FO believe there is a franchise QB available with the pic you don't hesitate.
But their decision-making in personnel and with draft picks has shown to be questionable.
I mean in this scenario they literally burned an early 2nd on a QB just last year based on those same evals
Posted on 10/27/25 at 1:35 pm to WicKed WayZ
In order:
You draft QB1
Or Entertain Trade down
Bain Jr would be fallback.
You draft QB1
Or Entertain Trade down
Bain Jr would be fallback.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:03 pm to WicKed WayZ
If Rattler and Shough are both awful to end the season, you grab best QB.
If one of them starts to show some signs of potential to let them try another year, I'm on board to draft a beast DE if one is good enough to take early OR we trade back and accrue draft picks.
If one of them starts to show some signs of potential to let them try another year, I'm on board to draft a beast DE if one is good enough to take early OR we trade back and accrue draft picks.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:07 pm to Townedrunkard
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I think the more successful trend is to get good pieces around a FA vet QB.
quote:I've gotten crucified for saying that I like the idea of drafting anything but QB in upcoming drafts and finding a diamond in the rough FA QB.
I’ve pointed this out several times on this board.
You see guys like Baker/D.Jones/Sam Darnold in the last year or 2 be somewhat cheap FA options that can win games on a good roster. There were other guys in the years prior to this also that were FA guys that did well on a new team.
I'm not saying that it's easy to do, but if Kellen Moore doesn't like anyone to draft top 3 this upcoming draft, it's a good option to consider looking at someone that is currently in the NFL.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
No one in or outside the org has called Tyler a “franchise QB”. Poor analogy.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 3:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
We're rebuilding, and that's going to take more than one year. I'd rather trade down for more draft capital, build other areas of the team and hire a veteran QB until the 2027/2028 draft.
After mortgaging the team's soul for the last few years with Brees through Carr, I expected a rebuild to take 2-3 years once we actually started.
After mortgaging the team's soul for the last few years with Brees through Carr, I expected a rebuild to take 2-3 years once we actually started.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:00 pm to WicKed WayZ
If I stay at #1, I'm picking Mendoza. Has the prototypical size to excel with development. Has had success in Cal and IU.
I can't pick Downs, Jordan, or Bain at #1. I love Bain, but he has disappeared too many times for me.
If you look at QBs in the 2027 draft... there are none besides Arch, and he sucks. We need to find a QB and hopefully draft Jeremiah Smith
I can't pick Downs, Jordan, or Bain at #1. I love Bain, but he has disappeared too many times for me.
If you look at QBs in the 2027 draft... there are none besides Arch, and he sucks. We need to find a QB and hopefully draft Jeremiah Smith
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:02 pm to Suntiger
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The QBs in this draft like Mendoza, Simpson, Mateer, etc. are likely low ceiling QBs that aren’t much better than what we have. They will fail the same way our current ones will.
This is retarded. The QBs we have weren’t particularly good QBs in college. Rattler is undersized with questionably leadership abilities. Shough was injury prone and inaccurate in college. Neither are capable runners to make up for these issues.
Mendoza is having an incredible college career, has ideal size, and by all accounts checks all leadership and intelligence boxes you could ask for in a QB. He is getting better each year in college. He is absolutely a guy you take 1 overall when you suck.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 4:29 pm to Ryan3232
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If Rattler and Shough are both awful to end the season, you grab best QB.
Can’t wait to watch the next Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen, Blaine Gabbert, etc.
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