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Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:45 am
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:52 am to Crimson Wraith
I can assure you that the Pope still opposes Abortion.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:52 am to Crimson Wraith
And in his full statement, the Pope ridicules, for lack of a better phrase, "Cafeteria Catholics", while doing exactly that. If you have to "whatabout" to justify honoring a man that supports abortion, maybe your statement doesn't really hold water.
FWIW, I am a practicing Catholic, against abortion and the death penalty. Am I really better at this than the Pope?
FWIW, I am a practicing Catholic, against abortion and the death penalty. Am I really better at this than the Pope?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:58 am to TD422
Is this going to be the Daily Tigerdroppings Political Talk Thread where we use up a dozen pages to not directly address the topic but to attack the Catholics and the Catholic Church?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:01 am to Champagne
Champagne, I think I missed something...am I attacking Catholics? I AM a Catholic. And I'm not attacking the Church...I am calling out the Pope for mis-steps in his logic...? Can you elaborate?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:12 am to Champagne
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but to attack the Catholics and the Catholic Church?
No need to attack. Speaks for itself.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:20 am to Crimson Wraith
quote:From this quote, it seems like he's being somewhat dismissive of the statement about abortion, because it's part of a larger position of "pro-life". I think that misses the mark here. He concludes by saying that the RCC's teaching on those things is clear, but doesn't apply those clear teachings on abortion to the person in question.
I think that is very important to look at the overall work that this Senator has done during, if I'm not mistaken, 40 years of service in the United States Senate.
I understand the difficulty and the tensions but I think as I myself has spoken to pass, it’s important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the Church. Someone who says I'm against abortion but I'm in favor of the death penalty, is not really pro-life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion but I'm agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who in are the United States I don't know if that's pro-life; so they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them, but I would ask first and foremost that there'd be greater respect for one another, and that we search together both as human beings and that case is American citizens or citizens of the state of Illinois, as well as Catholics to say we need to, you know, really look closely at all of these ethical issues and to find the way forward as Church. Church teaching on each one of those issues is very clear. Thank you.”
He sounds more like a politician here than a religious leader who should be addressing concerning problems in the organization that he's a head of.
I also disagree with the RCC's position on the death penalty, but that's a different issue.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:21 am to Crimson Wraith
The only truly based church left is the Russian Orthodox Church. The Greek Orthodox Church has been compromised by globalists.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:24 am to FooManChoo
He concludes by saying that the RCC's teaching on those things is clear, but doesn't apply those clear teachings on abortion to the person in question.
Precisely. This isn't a zero sum game...abortion should always be condemned by the Pope. Period. If the Church wants to honor Durbin for other works, fine. He should also be reminded that his position on abortion is a sin.
Precisely. This isn't a zero sum game...abortion should always be condemned by the Pope. Period. If the Church wants to honor Durbin for other works, fine. He should also be reminded that his position on abortion is a sin.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:27 am to TD422
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Champagne, I think I missed something...am I attacking Catholics? I AM a Catholic. And I'm not attacking the Church...I am calling out the Pope for mis-steps in his logic...? Can you elaborate?
I'm not referring to you at all. The way that these threads always go is that somebody posts a thread on something a Catholic leader said. This invites a dozen pages of hostility against Catholics and Catholicism that completely ignores the original post topic. It happens almost every day and you can see it if you look out for it.
It's fair to be critical of what you see as a misstep in the Pope's logic. If he or a Cardinal expresses support for some of Dick Durbin's work, I surmise that they are trying to be diplomatic. The Church's teaching on Abortion is clear because it's written in the Catechism.
I don't think we have had the leader of any Christian denomination make a public proclamation that: You cannot be a Christian if you are a Democrat. I would not expect any leader of any major Christian denomination to ever make such a statement.
That might be my personal belief, but, I would not expect the leader of any church to make such a proclamation. As such, I'm not surprised when leaders of major Christian denominations use diplomatic language when referring to powerful politicians in any particular country's government.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:27 am to Champagne
Sure sounds weak. Also sounds like he is for illegals and open borders under the guise off regular legal migration.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:31 am to Champagne
Thank you for the reply. Have a blessed day!
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:32 am to Champagne
Acknowledging uncomfortable facts of a person in a leadership position is the same as attacking an entire group of people?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:32 am to TD422
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He should also be reminded that his position on abortion is a sin.
I suppose that the Pope is trying to be diplomatic. Since he reiterated the Church's clear and published position on Abortion that we have in the Catechism, he highlights this truth without making a statement that directly condemns Dick Durbin.
I agree that I would like more direct public condemnations by the Pope for people like Durbin, Pelosi and Biden, but, that's not the way Pope's mostly work.
Why must we demand a PUBLIC condemnation when every good principle of leadership teaches that you take a person needing correction in PRIVATE and warn them in private? Pope may have sent a private message to Durbin - Hey, I'm reminding you that supporting Abortion is a Mortal Sin.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:33 am to Crimson Wraith
Plot twist:
Church position on abortion: infallible
Church position on death penalty: fallible
Church position on illegal aliens: fallible
Trump administration’s treatment of illegal aliens: humane
I hope I’m proven wrong, but this pope is starting to look like a mealy mouth Bergoglio type. We need more St. Michael types.
Church position on abortion: infallible
Church position on death penalty: fallible
Church position on illegal aliens: fallible
Trump administration’s treatment of illegal aliens: humane
I hope I’m proven wrong, but this pope is starting to look like a mealy mouth Bergoglio type. We need more St. Michael types.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:33 am to cajunangelle
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Sure sounds weak
Yep. Diplomatic public statements often sound weak and milquetoast.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
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Someone who says I'm against abortion but I'm in favor of the death penalty, is not really pro-life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion but I'm agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who in are the United States I don't know if that's pro-life; so they're very complex issues.
He talks about three groups of people: the unborn, those convicted of capital offenses, and those who have committed crimes while in our country illegally. One of these is not like the others.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:41 am to Crimson Wraith
I’m not an expert on Church doctrine, but isn’t murder kind of a non-negotiable?
I’ve never seen a cogent argument set forth for how one can be both pro-abortion and a Catholic.
I’ve never seen a cogent argument set forth for how one can be both pro-abortion and a Catholic.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:43 am to Champagne
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Why must we demand a PUBLIC condemnation
Well, for me, it's because he's being publicly honored. There should be ZERO equivocation that the honor does not extend to his position on abortion. It smacks of moral relativism to elevate him in the name of the Church while he supports killing of babies. Maybe he can receive a Kennedy award or something equal while ignoring his abortion stance, but the Church isn't the right authority to be expected to whistle past the graveyard. Practically the ONLY authority on the planet that should act that way. The Church shouldn't be looking for some back slapping, they should LEAD BY THE WORD OF GOD.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:45 am to Crimson Wraith
Fair comment in my opinion.
He's trying to walk the middle of the road
He's trying to walk the middle of the road
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