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re: Latest from the pope
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:50 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:50 am to FooManChoo
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From this quote, it seems like he's being somewhat dismissive of the statement about abortion, because it's part of a larger position of "pro-life".
Absolutely. Don't know your faith, but in Catholic Circles it's called the "seamless garmet" philosophy. What that means is that abortion is on the same level as as any human suffering. We must solve them all. It turns justice on its head and in my opinion is borderline heretical. It completely degrades the actual taking of innocent human life on an industrial scale by equating it with things like the death penalty. I've even heard priests equate abortion to lonely people in nursing homes. That's right, it's that bad with some in the Catholic clergy.
The death penalty is definitely not against Catholic doctrine. While the death penalty should be undertaken with the greatest of caution, it is a form of justice. We can work to do better with things like DNA testing to confirm murderers.
Abortion cannot be argued along with the death penalty nor can the treatment of illegal immigrants. Very bad line of reasoning by the Pope any many in the clergy. It's a sign of the watering down of doctrine not the expansion.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:52 am to Crimson Wraith
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I'm agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who in are the United States I don't know if that's pro-life
So we are murdering illegal aliens?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:56 am to RAB
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He talks about three groups of people: the unborn, those convicted of capital offenses, and those who have committed crimes while in our country illegally. One of these is not like the others.
Exactly. How the clergy gets away with the extreme bending of logic and reason is beyond me.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:02 am to Champagne
cult........
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:03 am to Champagne
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I can assure you that the Pope still opposes Abortion.
But does he shite in the woods?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:07 am to Crimson Wraith
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40 years of service in the United States Senate.
That's not a noteworthy accomplishment, unless you're passing out the awards for "Four-decade Grift" recognition.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:17 am to Crimson Wraith
A lot of misunderstanding in here again. But like some of Francis' arguments, he did this himself.
At the end of the day, what he means is that the idea of being "Pro-Life" is the universal care of people/Love, not the discreet position of "Pro Life" in terms of abortion.
And from that standpoint, to be Pro-Life is to be against abortion, to be for rehabilitation, and to be for sheltering those in need.
He doesn't necessarily condemn anyone who believes in the death penalty or who is against illegal immigration, he just says - you aren't really operating from a "Pro-Life" perspective from the definition above. And that's true. Complex, as he says, but it's true if you take the idea of "Pro Life" meaning "Willing the Good of the Other," "Love."
He's tacitly admitting that it's hard to be human, hard to live in this world with these sorts of problems to solve, and as much as God and the church can provide a way to do it, human are complicated.
God has a ton of forgiveness, and that's the idea. Durbin deserves the forgiveness just like you or I and hopefully he sees that.
At the end of the day, what he means is that the idea of being "Pro-Life" is the universal care of people/Love, not the discreet position of "Pro Life" in terms of abortion.
And from that standpoint, to be Pro-Life is to be against abortion, to be for rehabilitation, and to be for sheltering those in need.
He doesn't necessarily condemn anyone who believes in the death penalty or who is against illegal immigration, he just says - you aren't really operating from a "Pro-Life" perspective from the definition above. And that's true. Complex, as he says, but it's true if you take the idea of "Pro Life" meaning "Willing the Good of the Other," "Love."
He's tacitly admitting that it's hard to be human, hard to live in this world with these sorts of problems to solve, and as much as God and the church can provide a way to do it, human are complicated.
God has a ton of forgiveness, and that's the idea. Durbin deserves the forgiveness just like you or I and hopefully he sees that.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 11:18 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:27 am to Crimson Wraith
Theres a lot of "I's" in his statement for someone who supposedly speaks for God
Hes not elected Pope for his opinions, hes elected for the ability to bind or loose on Earth
Not a good look for the Pope
Loosing the humanist works of Durbin on this Earth, wont fly in Heaven
Hes not elected Pope for his opinions, hes elected for the ability to bind or loose on Earth
Not a good look for the Pope
Loosing the humanist works of Durbin on this Earth, wont fly in Heaven
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:32 am to TD422
If I may ask, why are you against the death penalty?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:39 am to TigerJack8
Good question. As a younger man, I was firmly in the camp of "I'll flip the switch!!!" I guess I'm just getting soft in my old(er) age. I'm not sure that killing someone does anything for me other than satisfying some primal urge for revenge. That, and I personally find it hard to truly forgive and then support the killing, it just doesn't line up for me. I do have to admit that I really don't fault anyone for supporting it, so I'm still working out some hardness in my heart on that end.
Or, to say it more succinctly: it's complicated.
ETA: to complicate my position even further, let's say someone is convicted and sentenced to life, not the death penalty...and tries to escape prison. I say drill that bitch between the eyes with a .454 Casull round.
Or, to say it more succinctly: it's complicated.
ETA: to complicate my position even further, let's say someone is convicted and sentenced to life, not the death penalty...and tries to escape prison. I say drill that bitch between the eyes with a .454 Casull round.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:41 am to Crimson Wraith
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40 Years of service
40 years of grifting off of the tax payer's backs. It's called "service".
Service is making a real sacrifice for your country, like being in the military.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:51 am to Crimson Wraith
I’m disappointed in the pope’s comments. He should read the Church’s interpretation of Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture on this matter in the Catechism. It’s straight forward:
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:52 am to Crimson Wraith
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Latest from the pope
I was exexpecting GO CUBS!
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:52 am to Crimson Wraith
Illinois liberal boy shouting out his fellow liberal Illinois boy.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:53 am to Champagne
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Is this going to be the Daily Tigerdroppings Political Talk Thread where we use up a dozen pages to not directly address the topic but to attack the Catholics and the Catholic Church?
:wah:Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:56 am to Louisianalabguy
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Absolutely. Don't know your faith, but in Catholic Circles it's called the "seamless garmet" philosophy. What that means is that abortion is on the same level as as any human suffering. We must solve them all. It turns justice on its head and in my opinion is borderline heretical. It completely degrades the actual taking of innocent human life on an industrial scale by equating it with things like the death penalty. I've even heard priests equate abortion to lonely people in nursing homes. That's right, it's that bad with some in the Catholic clergy.
The death penalty is definitely not against Catholic doctrine. While the death penalty should be undertaken with the greatest of caution, it is a form of justice. We can work to do better with things like DNA testing to confirm murderers.
Abortion cannot be argued along with the death penalty nor can the treatment of illegal immigrants. Very bad line of reasoning by the Pope any many in the clergy. It's a sign of the watering down of doctrine not the expansion.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:01 pm to Crimson Wraith
Ridiculous. Another reason I left the RCC.
Defending an innocent baby in the womb is the definition of pro-life. Death penalty is arguable morally and ethically. “Inhumane” treatment of immigrants is his OPINION (and a lie at that) and also easy for him to say from his perch in the locked down Vatican.
Has he recognized Trump for getting Roe overturned?! Francis basically said “ok, but I don’t understand the full legal ramifications of the decision.” RIDICULOUS
Defending an innocent baby in the womb is the definition of pro-life. Death penalty is arguable morally and ethically. “Inhumane” treatment of immigrants is his OPINION (and a lie at that) and also easy for him to say from his perch in the locked down Vatican.
Has he recognized Trump for getting Roe overturned?! Francis basically said “ok, but I don’t understand the full legal ramifications of the decision.” RIDICULOUS
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:11 pm to Louisianalabguy
quote:Thank you for the clarification. I may have heard that a while back but wasn't familiar enough to recall.
Absolutely. Don't know your faith, but in Catholic Circles it's called the "seamless garmet" philosophy. What that means is that abortion is on the same level as as any human suffering. We must solve them all. It turns justice on its head and in my opinion is borderline heretical.
I can understand why those would be grouped together for a philosophical classification, but when addressing sin practically, there shouldn't be a need to treat them as a group, as if violations in one area are mitigated by obedience in others. I agree with your opinion that it seems to turn justice on its head when addressed from that approach.
I think the Pope missed an opportunity to restate the RCC's position on abortion, even if he didn't want to condemn any individual's words or actions at that time.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:43 pm to Crimson Wraith
"I understand the difficulty and the tensions but I think as I myself has spoken to pass, it’s important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the Church. Someone who says I'm against abortion but I'm in favor of the death penalty, is not really pro-life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion but I'm agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants who in are the United States I don't know if that's pro-life; so they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them, but I would ask first and foremost that there'd be greater respect for one another, and that we search together both as human beings and that case is American citizens or citizens of the state of Illinois, as well as Catholics to say we need to, you know, really look closely at all of these ethical issues and to find the way forward as Church. Church teaching on each one of those issues is very clear. Thank you.”
That's Kamala level word salad, but I do appreciate him letting people know that he isn't going to be one fricking bit better than the last pope early on. It won't matter here though. Catholics will make excuses for him, just like they did the last one. Pretty embarrassing that this one doesn't believe in God or the Bible either.
That's Kamala level word salad, but I do appreciate him letting people know that he isn't going to be one fricking bit better than the last pope early on. It won't matter here though. Catholics will make excuses for him, just like they did the last one. Pretty embarrassing that this one doesn't believe in God or the Bible either.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:44 pm to Crimson Wraith
Another lefty commie "Pope"...
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