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The education data out of Mississippi is getting more insane. They have zoomed past CA

Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:22 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
72943 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:22 am


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The difference is most pronounced if you look at the most disadvantaged students. In California, only 28% of Black fourth graders read at or above basic level, for instance, compared to 52% in Mississippi. But it’s not just that Mississippi has raised the floor. It has also raised the ceiling: The state is also one of the nation’s best performers when you look at students who are not “economically disadvantaged.”

Consider this the latest chapter of the “Mississippi Miracle,” which has seen the state climb from 49th in the country on fourth grade reading to ninth nationally. This rise has received a great deal of coverage in publications ranging from The New York Times to The New York Post. And yet, it still feels as if what’s taking place in the Deep South still has been grossly undersold.

First, it’s not just Mississippi — Louisiana, Alabama, and Tennessee have adopted the same strategies, stemmed the bleeding affecting states elsewhere, and seen significant improvements.

Second, many people who aren’t too focused on education policy seem to imagine Mississippi has simply stopped underperforming, that they’re now doing about as well as everyone else.

This is not true. They haven’t just caught up to your state; they are now wildly outperforming it. If you live where I do, in Oakland, California, and you cannot afford private education, you should be seriously considering moving to Mississippi for the substantially better public schools. Black students are as likely to be basic-or-above readers in Mississippi (where the median Black household income was $37,900 in 2023) as in national top performer Massachusetts (where the median Black household income was $67,000 in 2022.)


It’s due to phonics-based teaching.


By the way, before you accuse me of peddling biased sources, the person I linked is a center left data analyst.

There’s a big reason why other states likely won’t be adopting phonics:

The American federation of teachers, and their state branches, have promised to oppose any politicians who force teachers to learn phonics based curriculum
This post was edited on 9/27/25 at 10:30 am
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
9582 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:25 am to
The Mississippi Miracle is real and it’s working in other Southern states. You will notice it most when these kids start applying to colleges or entering the workforce.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70155 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:28 am to
All that and MS teachers among the lowest paid and CA among the highest. MS students among the least affluent and CA among the most.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
37775 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:32 am to
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phonics


You misspelled Ebonics
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
8961 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:34 am to
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It’s due to phonics-based teaching.


Why they ever stopped this is mindboggling.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292732 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:35 am to
Thats astounding. Sadly the Education Profession will probably hate this and try to poke holes in it.

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41083 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:43 am to
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The difference is most pronounced if you look at the most disadvantaged students.


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Black fourth graders


That’s racist as shite
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41630 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:45 am to
It’s amazing what happens when you require that students be able to read on level before passing.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
15755 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:46 am to
How far have we fallen when only 52% of black 4th graders reading at grade level is supposed to be some win, and a “win” substantial enough to make headlines?
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65210 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:46 am to
California’s public schools are filled with students who can neither read nor write the English language. The ramifications are far reaching and ultimately impact every student
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78636 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:47 am to
Reading is a white supremacist construct. It's no surprise that black students can read where the Klan is still in control and they can't read in utopian places where equity and inclusion are priorities.
Posted by Lucky McTuesday
The Great State of Texas
Member since Sep 2025
292 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:49 am to
These are the kinds of stories I like to read about.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
23454 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:52 am to
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Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
2691 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:55 am to
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you should be seriously considering moving to Mississippi for the substantially better public schools.
Please God, no.

The swarms of invasive locusts are never satiated.
Posted by SaintsTiger
1,000,000 Posts
Member since Oct 2014
1872 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:55 am to
How in the hell did they get away from phonics based teaching?
This post was edited on 9/27/25 at 10:56 am
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
14988 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:55 am to
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It’s due to phonics-based teaching.


The lack of phonics was a principle driver is our chosing to homeschool for so long. My wife was a teacher and we took the kids out 10 years ago.

They've recently entered again but we shall see.

Reading and phonics based is so important.

Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
23454 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 10:57 am to
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Thats astounding. Sadly the Education Profession will probably hate this and try to poke holes in it.


CA attempted to implement last year and the state teachers union opposed it. CA is lost forever.

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Educators are best equipped to make school and classroom decisions to ensure student success,” the letter said. “Limiting instructional approaches undermines teachers’ professional autonomy and may impede their effectiveness in the classroom.”


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The CTA and other critics of AB 2222 charge that it ignores the need of English learners for oral language skills, vocabulary and comparison between their home languages and English, which they need in order to learn how to read. Four out of 10 students in California start school as English learners.


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Representatives from Californians Together, an advocacy organization for English learners and bilingual education, applauded the CTA’s opposition to the bill. They oppose the bill, rather than suggest amendments, because they disagree with its overall approach. “We just don’t think this is the right bill to address literacy needs,” said Executive Director Martha Hernandez. “It’s very restrictive. We know that mandates don’t work. It lacks a robust, comprehensive approach for multilingual learners.”


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The California Language Teachers Association has requested the bill be amended to include information about teaching literacy in languages not based on the English alphabet, such as Japanese, Chinese or Arabic, according to Executive Director Liz Matchett. However, the organization has not yet taken a position on the bill.

LINK
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292732 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 11:01 am to
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CA attempted to implement last year and the state teachers union opposed it. CA is lost forever.


Yep, teachers unions are Democrat fronts and will fight any real progress in the name of "social justice."
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
78636 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 11:01 am to
ESL isn't an excuse. I can read Spanish and pronounce words correctly. I just have to look up what the words mean in some cases.

If I were living full time in a Spanish speaking country I would gain passive exposure and remember the vocabulary better.

Hell, if you have a lot of ESL students all you need to do is have signs like "wall pared" on the wall and "pisa floor" on the floor.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
24873 posts
Posted on 9/27/25 at 11:04 am to
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It’s due to phonics-based teaching.


I have no recollection of how I learned to read. I do remember “hooked on phonics” being a massive thing in the 90s.

What’s the other way they’ve been teaching?
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