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“H” Shaped Goal Posts Disadvantage?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:07 am
Last year D1 kickers made 75% of their field goals. Here are some stats of visiting team field goal kickers in Tiger Stadium based off of the last 5 full seasons.
2024: 8/9 89%
2023: 6/8 75%
2022: 12/13 92% (Did not count Southern’s kicker lmao)
2021: 5/6 83%
2019: 7/9 78%
TOTAL: 38/45 84% you would think that percentage would be dramatically lower in Tiger stadium
Do H shaped goal posts give a better visual for kickers? Stats don’t lie! Take them out!
2024: 8/9 89%
2023: 6/8 75%
2022: 12/13 92% (Did not count Southern’s kicker lmao)
2021: 5/6 83%
2019: 7/9 78%
TOTAL: 38/45 84% you would think that percentage would be dramatically lower in Tiger stadium
Do H shaped goal posts give a better visual for kickers? Stats don’t lie! Take them out!
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 9:15 am
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Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:13 am to cjohn1290
LSU has H shaped field goal posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:14 am to cjohn1290
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Last year D1 kickers made 75% of their field goals.
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84% you would think that percentage would be dramatically lower in Tiger stadium
Probably more of a function of the better teams LSU plays.
Comparing against P4 teams would be a better comparison IMO.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:18 am to cjohn1290
Wouldn’t that be an advantage for us considering we play the majority of our games in Tiger Stadium? Or maybe your theory is just dumb.
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:21 am to cjohn1290
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TOTAL: 38/45 84% you would think that percentage would be dramatically lower in Tiger stadium Do H shaped goal posts give a better visual for kickers? Stats don’t lie! Take them out!
Stats may not lie, but they can be manipulated to fit your narrative….
What were the distances of the opponent filed goal attempts?
What were the game situations?
Did the weather have any impact?
If it just comes down to the design of the goal posts, why isn't LSU’s FG percentage higher when kicking to those same goal posts on their HOME field?
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:24 am to LSBoosie
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Wouldn’t that be an advantage for us considering we play the majority of our games in Tiger Stadium?
This post is about the opposition. In the loudest stadium in America with 100,000 screaming fans you would think an opposing kicker would kick below average in this place. However their success rate is almost 10% better than the average. Stats don’t lie
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:26 am to cjohn1290
So Mr. Statistician...I do not believe there is conclusive evidence to conclude that coloration=causation in this instance.
First, the sample size given is very small considering the total population of field goals attempted per year.
Secondly, not all schools will have top level field goal kickers. A better comparison would be to compare those season statistics in Tiger Stadium with just the statistics of those visiting kickers instead of division 1 as a whole.
Third, the H style goal posts are not the only variable that could be affecting the outcome. Perhaps the field is in better shape than others, or possibly that because we have a fully enclosed bowl stadium the wind at tiger stadium is less of a factor.
Fourth, have you compared the LSU kickers home vs. road statistics to see if that has a statistically significant difference? Even so, it could be any number of the aforementioned variables plus the fact it is an emotionally hostile environment in road games.
Fifth, have you researched other H style goal post stadiums to see if similar statistical anomalies have occurred?
In conclusion, I believe there is sufficient evidence to reject your hypothesis of "stats don't lie" at this time.
Okay ... I'm done goofing off at work.
First, the sample size given is very small considering the total population of field goals attempted per year.
Secondly, not all schools will have top level field goal kickers. A better comparison would be to compare those season statistics in Tiger Stadium with just the statistics of those visiting kickers instead of division 1 as a whole.
Third, the H style goal posts are not the only variable that could be affecting the outcome. Perhaps the field is in better shape than others, or possibly that because we have a fully enclosed bowl stadium the wind at tiger stadium is less of a factor.
Fourth, have you compared the LSU kickers home vs. road statistics to see if that has a statistically significant difference? Even so, it could be any number of the aforementioned variables plus the fact it is an emotionally hostile environment in road games.
Fifth, have you researched other H style goal post stadiums to see if similar statistical anomalies have occurred?
In conclusion, I believe there is sufficient evidence to reject your hypothesis of "stats don't lie" at this time.
Okay ... I'm done goofing off at work.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:27 am to cjohn1290
the H goal posts are an LSU tradition .... if it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Only 3 CFB still use the H gp's... LSU, FSU, Washington
1924 opening game at TS
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:28 am to cjohn1290
both teams kick into H goal posts, so the "advantage" is cancelled out. If Y goal posts result in lower field goal percentage, that would go for our kicker too.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:29 am to cjohn1290
Can you add in all the distance of the field goals attempted in Tiger Stadium as well and compare that to the average.
If away teams only attempt 35-40 yard field goals in tiger stadium that can skew your data compared to whatever the D1 average field goal is.
Theres more to statistics than just makes vs attempts
If away teams only attempt 35-40 yard field goals in tiger stadium that can skew your data compared to whatever the D1 average field goal is.
Theres more to statistics than just makes vs attempts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:29 am to cjohn1290
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(Did not count Southern’s kicker lmao
Thats not how this works. You are trying to use a higher % to prove a point, but you willingly removed misses.
Also LSU plays in the SEC, which will be home to some of the better kickers. You kept all the good kickers and removed the bad ones. Why are you surprised that your % came out higher?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:31 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Thats not how this works. You are trying to use a higher % to prove a point, but you willingly removed misses.
Also LSU plays in the SEC, which will be home to some of the better kickers. You kept all the good kickers and removed the bad ones. Why are you surprised that your % came out higher?
Agreed. OP is manipulating the statistics to support their agenda. Future Politician?
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:32 am to cjohn1290
That kicker dude on game day recently did a segment at tiger stadium and stated the H posts threw him off.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:33 am to cjohn1290
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TOTAL: 38/45 84% you would think that percentage would be dramatically lower in Tiger stadium
Do H shaped goal posts give a better visual for kickers? Stats don’t lie! Take them out!
small sample size, you haven't said how long these field goals were either.
Did the kickers who played in TS over or underperform relative to their season averages?
How have LSU kickers fared at home in the same time period?
FSU also has an H goalpost. Why don't you run their numbers too
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(Did not count Southern’s kicker lmao)
yet Southern's kicker and other kickers of his caliber are included in the total average for the NCAA you used to try to make a point
This post was edited on 9/16/25 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:37 am to lsufball19
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Did the kickers who played in TS over or underperform relative to their season averages?
How have LSU kickers fared at home in the same time period?
this is the stats that would make sense to use but OP doesnt want to do that because that takes effort.
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yet Southern's kicker and other kickers of his caliber are included in the total average for the NCAA you used to try to make a point
exactly why his stats are shite
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:38 am to 225Tyga
I could kick at Southern, that’s why I’m not counting his 2 misses
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:39 am to cjohn1290
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Do H shaped goal posts give a better visual for kickers?
lots of things go into potentially affecting a kick
wind speed/direction
the view behind the goalposts
kick length
game situation
etc.
etc.
the shape of the post below the crossbar is probably last on the list of things a kicker even looks at or thinks of.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 9:46 am to cjohn1290
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This post is about the opposition. In the loudest stadium in America with 100,000 screaming fans you would think an opposing kicker would kick below average in this place. However their success rate is almost 10% better than the average. Stats don’t lie
For the 2024 SEC regular season, some top kickers’ field goal percentages ranged from about 70-91% among those with enough attempts. For example, Caden Davis hit about 82.8%, Damian Ramos ~79.3%, Peyton Woodring ~91.3% etc.
Sounds pretty in line. Maybe you shouldn't include schools like Central Michigan and Bowling Green in your average.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 10:20 am to cjohn1290
Conference FG% was 82.19
all of our SEC opponents we played at home last year made 80% of higher.
all of our SEC opponents we played at home last year made 80% of higher.
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