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How do the preseason o-line concerns compare to the 2023 secondary concerns ?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:31 am
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:31 am
I remember all preseason before the 2023 virtually everyone in the media was saying the wr room was manhandling the backend to the point it was uncompetitive. Matt Moscana on his radio show would say multiple days how the backend didn’t win a single rep in one on ones. .That unit also had to open up the season agaisnt a loaded FSU wr room. We all know they were absolutely outmatched vs those athletic FSU wideouts and went on to be the worst backend in school history.
The story out of fall camp so far seems to be the inconsistent play of the offensive line as some reporters have said the d line has flat out dominated the unit at times. Just like the 23 secondary, the o line with a lot of new pieces has to start the seaosn off agasint an elite unit in the Clemson front. Now I think the diff is that the o line has legit blue chippers in the room. Multiple top 100/ 5 star kids and highly toughed lineman out the portal. So the talent seems to be there for us to field a 5 that may have a better chance of holding their own then the 23 secondary did. But how do y’all think the situations compare ?
The story out of fall camp so far seems to be the inconsistent play of the offensive line as some reporters have said the d line has flat out dominated the unit at times. Just like the 23 secondary, the o line with a lot of new pieces has to start the seaosn off agasint an elite unit in the Clemson front. Now I think the diff is that the o line has legit blue chippers in the room. Multiple top 100/ 5 star kids and highly toughed lineman out the portal. So the talent seems to be there for us to field a 5 that may have a better chance of holding their own then the 23 secondary did. But how do y’all think the situations compare ?
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Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:33 am to Cd104
Here's a good question. Has there ever been a team that wins their conference or gets close with a less than quality offensive line?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:34 am to Cd104
I think we have more talent and depth than 2023. Doesn’t mean there will be a different result, but our chances have to be better.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:35 am to Cd104
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I remember all preseason before the 2023 virtually everyone in the media was saying the wr room was manhandling the backend to the point it was uncompetitive. Matt Moscana on his radio show would say multiple days how the backend didn’t win a single rep in one on ones. .That unit also had to open up the season agaisnt a loaded FSU wr room. We all know they were absolutely outmatched vs those athletic FSU wideouts and went on to be the worst backend in school history.
The story out of fall camp so far seems to be the inconsistent play of the offensive line as some reporters have said the d line has flat out dominated the unit at times. Just like the 23 secondary, the o line with a lot of new pieces has to start the seaosn off agasint an elite unit in the Clemson front. Now I think the diff is that the o line has legit blue chippers in the room. Multiple top 100/ 5 star kids and highly toughed lineman out the portal. So the talent seems to be there for us to field a 5 that may have a better chance of holding their own then the 23 secondary did. But how do y’all think the situations compare ?
It apparently was hard to describe how bad the 2023 secondary was in fall camp. It looked like high schoolers running around with middle schoolers. They never won a rep of anything. Not one on ones. Not 7 v 7. Not 11 v 11. Nothing.
I don't think this offensive line is nearly as bad as that 2023 secondary was.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:35 am to Richleau
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Here's a good question. Has there ever been a team that wins their conference or gets close with a less than quality offensive line?
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:37 am to Richleau
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Here's a good question. Has there ever been a team that wins their conference or gets close with a less than quality offensive line?
2019 LSU. Go back and watch that first quarter against Alabama. I don't care that they won some offensive line unit award. Joe got sacked multiple times in that first half and a good amount of those runs clyde had were because he shook an unblocked defender in the backfield. Maybe less than quality is a strong word but they were not dominant at all.
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:38 am to Underteaux
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2019 LSU
It's a big reason why LSU didn't go max protect very often at all in 19. They figured the chances that 1 of the 5 players they release on routes would win their matchup quick enough for Burrow to find them. That o line was not great by any means.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:43 am to JiminyCricket
Let’s be real—that unit got the hardware thanks to how elite the other six were. You’ve got a new vibe now, but a lot of the same DNA that offense had.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:46 am to JiminyCricket
If its Mubenga / Chester playing at all, then prepare yourself for this O-Line to wrecked this year. It's going to make games that shouldn't be close much closer. 2019 vs Auburn is a prime example. We moved the ball up and down the field. But their D-Line was NASTY that year in the interior and kept the game close.
Florida, A&M, Oklahoma, SCAR, Bama, Clemson all have as good or better D-Lines than we do. IMO we could lose all 6 of those games easily because they all have QB's who can make plays and quality defensive line.
Florida, A&M, Oklahoma, SCAR, Bama, Clemson all have as good or better D-Lines than we do. IMO we could lose all 6 of those games easily because they all have QB's who can make plays and quality defensive line.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:48 am to Cd104
In 2022 LSU started two true Freshman and two second year guards. While not as good as they would ultimately become, the unit was solid enough and got better as the year went on. In the bowl game LSU only had 2 starters on the OL play. One of whom, Fraizier, played out of position. The group was decent.
I don't think LSU's OL will be great out of the gate, but OL is different than DB. DB's operated in a lot of space, often in one on one settlings. That means there is often a LOT more room to be exposed. The OL operates in close quarters where things can be done to help some deficient areas. You can have the center help guards and vice versa. TEs and backs can help tackles.
I don't think LSU's OL will be great out of the gate, but OL is different than DB. DB's operated in a lot of space, often in one on one settlings. That means there is often a LOT more room to be exposed. The OL operates in close quarters where things can be done to help some deficient areas. You can have the center help guards and vice versa. TEs and backs can help tackles.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:49 am to JiminyCricket
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2019 LSU. Go back and watch that first quarter against Alabama. I don't care that they won some offensive line unit award. Joe got sacked multiple times in that first half and a good amount of those runs clyde had were because he shook an unblocked defender in the backfield. Maybe less than quality is a strong word but they were not dominant at all.
A lot of those sacks, pressures, and guys in position to tackle Clyde were great blitzes and disguises dialed up by Saban and Golding…not a defensive tackle manhandling the 2 guys in front of him.
This post was edited on 8/21/25 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:49 am to Outback Ray
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If its Mubenga / Chester playing at all, then prepare yourself for this O-Line to wrecked this year. It's going to make games that shouldn't be close much closer. 2019 vs Auburn is a prime example. We moved the ball up and down the field. But their D-Line was NASTY that year in the interior and kept the game close.
Florida, A&M, Oklahoma, SCAR, Bama, Clemson all have as good or better D-Lines than we do. IMO we could lose all 6 of those games easily because they all have QB's who can make plays and quality defensive line.
Well this is quite an overreaction.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 11:56 am to Alt26
Not really, we were a whisper away from 6-6 last year. Not saying we are going to lose them all. But we can. I don't understand why everyone thinks this team is a bonafide 10-2.
You have a moderately mobile QB prone to making bad decisions under pressure (until he proves otherwise). And that's with 4 NFL lineman. This year the whole unit is new. And the weakness is the interior.You also have a terrible play caller in Sloan we ranked 13/16 SEC in red zone TD %. Mubenga / Chester are among the worst graded players in LSU Football last decade. We absolutely will have to scheme around that weakness
Positive , I think the Center will be pretty good and help Nuss stay calm.
You have a moderately mobile QB prone to making bad decisions under pressure (until he proves otherwise). And that's with 4 NFL lineman. This year the whole unit is new. And the weakness is the interior.You also have a terrible play caller in Sloan we ranked 13/16 SEC in red zone TD %. Mubenga / Chester are among the worst graded players in LSU Football last decade. We absolutely will have to scheme around that weakness
Positive , I think the Center will be pretty good and help Nuss stay calm.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 12:05 pm to Outback Ray
It really is quite the overreaction.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 12:54 pm to Frogman93
First of all both Chester and mugemba played better the last few games last season.I believe both of them will be better than they were in 2024. Also Kelly seemed to be more concerned with the lack of talent at DB in 2023 and mentioned it more than once during camp. I don't get that same concern with this Oline. It is simply a matter of them going against what I think will be a top 5 Dline this year and a lot of new pieces getting used to playing together but it is not a case of lack of physicality like it was last year. And with the offensive weapons we have and the ascension of this defense I think they will get the time they need togel together,
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:08 pm to Cd104
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I remember all preseason before the 2023 virtually everyone in the media was saying the wr room was manhandling the backend to the point it was uncompetitive. Matt Moscana on his radio show would say multiple days how the backend didn’t win a single rep in one on ones. .That unit also had to open up the season agaisnt a loaded FSU wr room. We all know they were absolutely outmatched vs those athletic FSU wideouts and went on to be the worst backend in school history.
I get the situational comparison based on camp reports, but if you look at recruiting rankings, this OL should have a much higher ceiling than the 23 secondary did. I know Sage Ryan was a 5 star, but we already knew he was a flat-out bust. There were several low 4 stars and 3 stars filling out that secondary and most of the higher rated players with potential were underclassmen or true freshmen.
In comparison, you have several high 4 stars and a few 5 stars on this OL. There are a couple of 3 stars, but they are in reserve roles. The OL transfers also look a lot less risky than Denver Harris and Duce Chestnut.
I think we also have to recognize that the coaching level from the 23 defense to the 25 offense is pretty different. Our defensive staff was in over its head that year and it showed. People rightly question Brad Davis after last year’s disappointing OL, but let’s put that into perspective.
They were not a horrendously bad OL. Yes, the struggles in the run game. Yes, Chester was not ready. However, when fully healthy, they were actually elite at pass blocking and among the best in the FBS in those stat categories. The 23 secondary was one of the worst units in the FBS across the board, not just a disappointment. And now we have Alex Atkins also on staff, so this is a pretty stark difference in coaching ability, and that matters in a comparison like this.
It could work out the same way. We all have to acknowledge that is a possible outcome. However, we have a much better setup in terms of coaching and talent to help us avoid a really bad season with this year’s OL. We’ll see how it goes.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:13 pm to JiminyCricket
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2019 LSU. Go back and watch that first quarter against Alabama. I don't care that they won some offensive line unit award. Joe got sacked multiple times in that first half and a good amount of those runs clyde had were because he shook an unblocked defender in the backfield. Maybe less than quality is a strong word but they were not dominant at all.
The 2019 OL wasn’t as bad as some make it out to be, or elite like some other claim. It was solid, and that was good enough that season.
One reason why they were good despite not having elite talent across the board was that they did have an elite Center. The best we’ve had in a while.
Moore is by far and away the best we’ve had since 2019. I don’t know if he’s elite, but he’s definitely going to help this OL in ways that Chester couldn’t last year.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:19 pm to Cd104
It sounds like this O-Line has plenty of talent and they have been winning 1v1s often enough. They are working out the kinks of solidifying starters while working to move as a unit. Further, BK actually seems to really like the group of linemen that he has based on one of his press briefings last week and I have confidence in BK putting together a solid O-Line especially if he likes the personnel he is working with.
That 2023 group of DBs just simply did not have the physical tools and every time anyone spoke of them at best it was as if they were just hoping they weren't as bad as they looked against our receivers.
The situations really aren't comparable.
That 2023 group of DBs just simply did not have the physical tools and every time anyone spoke of them at best it was as if they were just hoping they weren't as bad as they looked against our receivers.
The situations really aren't comparable.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:27 pm to PurpleSingularity
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A lot of those sacks, pressures, and guys in position to tackle Clyde were great blitzes and disguises dialed up by Saban and Golding…not a defensive tackle manhandling the 2 guys in front of him.
Then go back and watch the games against Texas, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, and Clemson. The offensive line was overpowered each of those games but we had such elite offensive weapons that it did not matter because we were going to win our matchups outside. The only hope teams had was to get to Burrow.
Against Georgia there were at least 5 plays where a free rusher was sent right to Burrow and Burrow just made a play to either get out of it or deliver the ball to an open receiver. That lineman award was more of giving it to the best teams oline instead of the actual best offensive line. Anyone who did not recognize that is wearing purple and gold glasses.
Posted on 8/21/25 at 1:32 pm to Cd104
My guess is it’ll take a while for these guys to gel, but like others have said, we’ve got weapons all around - in their money years.
I also think we’re underestimating our D line.
It’s a nasty group that is better/deeper than we’ve seen in years.
I also think we’re underestimating our D line.
It’s a nasty group that is better/deeper than we’ve seen in years.
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