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When and why did the music go from Earth, Wind & Fire to NWA/Biggie/Ice Cube?
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 7/8/25 at 10:40 pm
Going from the main style being Earth, Wind & Fire; KC & The Sunshine Band; The Gap Band to NWA, Biggie, Ice Cube is quite a substantial change. When and why did this style change?
"Boogie Man" or "Get Down Tonight" by KC & The Sunshine Band and "You dropped a bomb on me" by the Gap Band are such fantastic songs. Anytime I hear those songs at a wedding or a road trip, I fully get entrenched into it. The music turned vulgar.
"Boogie Man" or "Get Down Tonight" by KC & The Sunshine Band and "You dropped a bomb on me" by the Gap Band are such fantastic songs. Anytime I hear those songs at a wedding or a road trip, I fully get entrenched into it. The music turned vulgar.
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Posted on 7/8/25 at 11:55 pm to Saunson69
There's a pretty big gap between them timewise with Run DMC, LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, and all the other big name 80s rap acts gaining popularity with a harder style. Mix that with the crack epidemic and the rise of gang culture in the 80s and you've got Ice T and NWA going full on gangster rap setting the stage for Tupac, Biggie, etc.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 3:20 am to Saunson69
That’s the nature of pop music. Each era reflects its own cultural moment, and no one sound has ever stayed dominant for long (though I understand that many on TD believe Sugar Hill Gang and current rappers are indistinguishable from each other).
Funk and disco overtook earlier styles too, and those transitions were just as substantial. Nat King Cole gave way to Sam Cooke who gave way to Sly and the Family Stone in the same way that rock music moved from Sun Records to the Beatles into AC-DC, then Talking Heads or Metallica before reaching its breathtaking apex with Aerosmith's legendary 1987 hit, Dude Looks Like a Lady.
You are essentially complaining that one style of music failed to remain popular with teenagers for 50+ years, ie... how did Buddy Holly become Slayer?
Funk and disco overtook earlier styles too, and those transitions were just as substantial. Nat King Cole gave way to Sam Cooke who gave way to Sly and the Family Stone in the same way that rock music moved from Sun Records to the Beatles into AC-DC, then Talking Heads or Metallica before reaching its breathtaking apex with Aerosmith's legendary 1987 hit, Dude Looks Like a Lady.
You are essentially complaining that one style of music failed to remain popular with teenagers for 50+ years, ie... how did Buddy Holly become Slayer?
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 3:42 am
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:07 am to northshorebamaman
In the mid-70's, guys like Afrika Bambaataa, DJ Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash were DJ's who started messing around with sampling the standard disco/funk tracks, which created the rap sound that naturally evolved into the artists you mentioned. Obviously inner city issues like drugs, racial tension and violence were thrown into the mix during the 80's to cause the vibe to shift a bit from fun breakdancing to gangsta rap.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:20 am to novowels
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Obviously inner city issues like drugs, racial tension and violence were thrown into the mix
Same thing was happening in the 60s and 70s But then Marvin Gaye responded with What’s Going On
Much more appealing in my opinion
This post was edited on 7/9/25 at 6:21 am
Posted on 7/9/25 at 6:51 am to TigerBR1111
Being "in your face" is so brave compared to straight up talent! 
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:38 am to Saunson69
From a production value, rap was so much cheaper than EWF, etc. Sampling has a turn table. EWF has a horn section, a rhythm section, back up singers, etc.
Same thing happened later with pop/ rock. Billie Elisha put together most of her albums with her brother and electronic arrangements is her bedroom. So production costs are 75K vs 750K for a band or session musicians.
Same thing happened later with pop/ rock. Billie Elisha put together most of her albums with her brother and electronic arrangements is her bedroom. So production costs are 75K vs 750K for a band or session musicians.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 9:55 am to KiwiHead
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So production costs are 75K vs 750K for a band or session musicians.
The introduction of samplers and drum machines did a number on the music industry. Don’t need to pay session musicians and don’t have to pay out the arse for large studio rooms (for live drums, horn sections, etc). Of course it also changed the sound people started going for.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 11:13 am to Saunson69
I blame Jerry Heller.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 5:35 pm to Saunson69
The Crack Epidemic and the War on Drugs created the "gangtsa" culture of places like LA & NYC. These guys are the result.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:11 pm to Locoguan0
Going from Motown to rap/hip hop is one of the most tragic things that has happened to the black community and this country. It reflects the rot of American society which happened in a relatively short time frame.
Posted on 7/9/25 at 7:27 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Country music went from Waylon Jennings to Florida Georgia Line.
Posted on 7/10/25 at 2:28 am to Marciano1
Not to detract from the OPs thesis, which has some merit, but FWIW country purists were scandalized by Willie and Waylon. Before that they were scandalized when Chet Atkins introduced orchestral arrangements and created what became known as the Nashville Sound.
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