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As a U.S. citizen, when you travel abroad are you still under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:48 am
It sure feels that way.
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:49 am to GumboPot
Yes, you are.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:52 am to TBoy
Like when the American college student got sent to a NK prison for stealing a poster? No, you aren’t
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
Ask Michael Fay if he was protected by the jurisdiction of the US when he got lashed.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
It’s a US passport that allows you to do so so yes.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:54 am to GumboPot
Yes, if what you are if it involves a US citizen or US interest (taxes, spying..)
So no you can't kill you wife on vacation.
So no you can't kill you wife on vacation.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:55 am to GumboPot
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As a U.S. citizen, when you travel abroad are you still under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
No. You are under the laws of the country you are in.
What kind of question is this?
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:57 am to GumboPot
You're also under the jurisdiction of the country you're physically present in
You can be under jurisdiction of more than one country at the same time
You can be under jurisdiction of more than one country at the same time
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:58 am to Rip Torn
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Like when the American college student got sent to a NK prison for stealing a poster? No, you aren’t
What do you think this example is showing, exactly?
A better one is a sex tourist who goes to Thailand to have sex with children. They can be prosecuted both by the US and Thailand, as they're subject to the jurisdiction of both countries in that scenario.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:59 am to GumboPot
UCMJ applies anywhere in the world for those that fall under it.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 8:59 am to Rip Torn
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Like when the American college student got sent to a NK prison for stealing a poster? No, you aren’t
Think it through. One can be under the jurisdiction of the U.S. and of the laws of any place where you are. US law applies to you when abroad. Treasury rules control what you can do with your money. If you commit a crime here and leave, the U.S. can have you brought back. You can be taxed here on money that is overseas. There are a million ways that you are still under U.S. jurisdiction when you are not physically present here.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:05 am to GumboPot
If you are doing something crooked on taxes you'll be under US jurisdiction. If you are doing lines of coke or kill your wife, you'll be under jurisdiction of the country you are physically in.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:05 am to Rip Torn
I know that's a gross example, but it's one with tenuous jurisdiction by the US (as the person is abroad and wouldn't normally be under US jurisdiction really) that has real examples to reference so this isn't some hypothetical exercise.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:06 am to Night Vision
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UCMJ applies anywhere in the world for those that fall under it.
This isn't the same. I am sure you already know this.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:10 am to GumboPot
This question will probably go on being debated for many pages.... It will be great once SCOTUS correctly interprets the question of jurisdiction and the intention of the law at the time it was written and end birthright citizenship.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:54 am to GumboPot
It depends on what you mean by ‘jurisdiction.’ The US doesn’t have jurisdiction in Amsterdam for a host of illegal activities. As a US citizen the US will offer support for some things in host countries. This has to be better defined or we are shooting in the dark.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:57 am to idlewatcher
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Ask Michael Fay if he was protected by the jurisdiction of the US when he got lashed.
I moved to Mandeville from Roanoke VA. many years ago. I was talking to the driver who was to deliver the load and was showing him on a map my location there, he knew the neighborhood. He said "remember that kid who got caned? I just moved his mom to Mandeville, she said the kid should have gotten his arse beat, and the father wanted to do the talk show circuit".
Apparently he was living with his mom and stepdad over there and returned to live with his father to do the talk shows.
Kid has been in a lot of trouble since, he was and is no innocent babe.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:58 am to rebeloke
all i know is that if you are a lesbian, black, pot smoking, basketball player, the democrats will try and help you. otherwise, you better hope trump is president.
Posted on 6/28/25 at 10:01 am to GumboPot
Absolutely not. Likewise, when non-citizens commit crimes in the US, they are tried in the US, not their native countries.
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