ETA Spinoff - Traffic Laws - TODAY, exist primarily as an end around the 4th Amendment

Exactly right ! No way we should be required to stop at a red light to allow flow from another direction under penalties for not doing so. It would be much better not having to stop just to hope that your son or daughter makes it across the intersection at say 80-90 mph while another vehicle tries not to T-bone them doing 80-90 mph themselves

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Sigh. Your lack of comprehension is noted.

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That's not fair, Grumpy... you didn't detail which traffic laws were nefarious vs ones that are actually useful and beneficial to society. Give us something meaty to discuss.

My lack of comprehension? You are trying to outdo 4cubbies on insane nonsensical thoughts and demand people comprehend your idea. Next you’ll be demanding others to call you by your preferred name of Queen of Sheba

I agree that most tickets are just a way for the local LEO to collect money, especially in some of these smaller towns that use them not to protect and keep people safe - but to rack up an easy quota.

We absolutely *need* traffic laws enforced, and oftentimes they aren't enforced nearly enough. Its just that most local PD aren't enforcing the RIGHT traffic laws and are targeting the easiest to churn out tickets, and seem to have an obsession with making themselves easier and easier to hide in order to catch the soccer moms doing 6 over.

This erodes public trust in the police and makes it feel like they're just there to "trick" and catch people, instead of their intended purpose which is safety. If the intended purpose was simply making their presence known around every corner so everyone would obey traffic laws in fear of the penalty, they'd want to be as bright and obvious as possible. Not this route they're taking where they have these invisible decals and non-typical vehicles.

I could go on and on about this, and I am in law enforcement myself. It almost brings me to a rage when considering what these local police have done to ruin the reputation and erode public trust of law enforcement.

I'm not a patrol officer, or I would singlehandedly focus on non-blinker users, left lane cruisers, and paper/no tag vehicles - over people going slightly over the speed limit.

They are revenue model for too many bullshite like towns and counties

Well Grumpy, that is kind of Dopey. We have too much traffic at too high speed not to have traffic laws. Running lights, stop signs is a good way to get people killed. Our roads are designed with vertical and horizontal curves for certain velocities and exceeding those can be fatal for someone.

No, the primary purpose is safety taking into account stopping distances, perception and reaction time and sight distances. Now maybe some officers abuse the traffic stop but the design guidelines and signing are for safety, not for searches.

Are FAA flight rules for circumventing the fourth? Boating rules? Railroad crossings? Rules in horse racing? Limits on Indy cars?

No, same thing. Safety.

I can turn left at a stop sign after I stop.

Are inspection stickers considered a traffic violation ?

So, admit it, you are a Sovereign Citizen?? The 4th Amendment is their bible. And still lose in court every time.