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If the civil war was about slavery, why’d they keep slaves in the North?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:29 pm
After the Civil War, slaves in the Northern states were generally freed earlier than those in the South because many Northern states had abolished slavery before or during the war. The Emancipation Proclamation, issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, declared free only the slaves in Confederate states that were in rebellion against the Union, not those in the loyal border states or Northern states where slavery still existed. This was because the Proclamation was a military measure aimed at weakening the Confederacy and preserving the Union, so it applied only to states in rebellion and exempted border states like Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri to keep them loyal[1][2][3][4].
Slavery in the border states and other exempted areas was ended later through state actions and the ratification of the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery nationwide on December 6, 1865[3][7]. The last enslaved people in the South were freed when Union forces enforced emancipation, notably on June 19, 1865 (Juneteenth), when the US Army announced freedom in Texas, the most remote Confederate state[6].
In summary:
- The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves only in Confederate states still rebelling as of January 1, 1863.
- It did not apply to Northern or border states loyal to the Union, where slavery was ended later by state laws and the 13th Amendment.
- The Proclamation was a strategic war measure to undermine the Confederacy and keep border states loyal.
- Full abolition of slavery across the US was completed with the 13th Amendment in December 1865.
- News of emancipation reached some enslaved people in the South months or even years after the Proclamation, depending on Union control of the area[1][3][4][6][7].
Sources
[1] Emancipation Proclamation (1863) - National Archives LINK
[2] The Emancipation Proclamation - National Archives LINK
[3] Emancipation Proclamation - Wikipedia LINK
[4] Thoughts on this? I've always wondered why lincoln didn't free all ... LINK /
[5] What Does the Emancipation Proclamation Say? LINK
[6] Juneteenth (article) | Reconstruction | Khan Academy LINK
[7] The Emancipation Proclamation LINK /
[8] Emancipation Proclamation: 1863 LINK
[9] Digital History LINK
[10] American Civil War LINK
Slavery in the border states and other exempted areas was ended later through state actions and the ratification of the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery nationwide on December 6, 1865[3][7]. The last enslaved people in the South were freed when Union forces enforced emancipation, notably on June 19, 1865 (Juneteenth), when the US Army announced freedom in Texas, the most remote Confederate state[6].
In summary:
- The Emancipation Proclamation freed slaves only in Confederate states still rebelling as of January 1, 1863.
- It did not apply to Northern or border states loyal to the Union, where slavery was ended later by state laws and the 13th Amendment.
- The Proclamation was a strategic war measure to undermine the Confederacy and keep border states loyal.
- Full abolition of slavery across the US was completed with the 13th Amendment in December 1865.
- News of emancipation reached some enslaved people in the South months or even years after the Proclamation, depending on Union control of the area[1][3][4][6][7].
Sources
[1] Emancipation Proclamation (1863) - National Archives LINK
[2] The Emancipation Proclamation - National Archives LINK
[3] Emancipation Proclamation - Wikipedia LINK
[4] Thoughts on this? I've always wondered why lincoln didn't free all ... LINK /
[5] What Does the Emancipation Proclamation Say? LINK
[6] Juneteenth (article) | Reconstruction | Khan Academy LINK
[7] The Emancipation Proclamation LINK /
[8] Emancipation Proclamation: 1863 LINK
[9] Digital History LINK
[10] American Civil War LINK
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Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:31 pm to SaintsTiger
The civil war was not the problem. The deep state is though.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:33 pm to SaintsTiger
Which is why Juneteenth is nonsense. December 6 is the real day of freedom.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:52 pm to SaintsTiger
Nations are like ships. Even when they are turning around, the process is slow and takes time.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:54 pm to SaintsTiger
You really think people give a frick about facts?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:59 pm to SaintsTiger
The Civil War was not about the north wanting to eliminate slavery. It was about the south wanting to maintain slavery.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:06 pm to FutureMikeVIII
quote:
The Civil War was not about the north wanting to eliminate slavery. It was about the south wanting to maintain slavery.
Omg lolololol
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:08 pm to SaintsTiger
The specific cause of the war was the sectional divide on slave labor becoming intractable. American party politics until the 1850s was a narrow needle threading of cross-sectional party alliances that avoided the slave question. For example, the Jacksonian Democrats were a Southern plantation owner and upper eastern seaboard financier class alliance that found broad base politics by prioritizing territorial expansion and land grants. By 1856, the question of further proliferation of slavery in the Western frontier became too salient to the conception of what this country was to become. The country was beginning to develop serious industrial manufacturing capacity and the industrial laborers and Northern/Midwest ownership feared an industrialized slave labor South.
However, the goals of the Union at the outset of the war was not a war to settle the slavery question but instead the secession question. The slave question loomed over the entire proceeding but the Union's cause initially had a far narrower goal. However, the South left the Union specifically about the assertion that they had the constitutional right to maintain the slave labor system in their states and they had to leave the Union because the rise of the GOP made them fear that the end of slavery was near.
However, the goals of the Union at the outset of the war was not a war to settle the slavery question but instead the secession question. The slave question loomed over the entire proceeding but the Union's cause initially had a far narrower goal. However, the South left the Union specifically about the assertion that they had the constitutional right to maintain the slave labor system in their states and they had to leave the Union because the rise of the GOP made them fear that the end of slavery was near.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:12 pm to SaintsTiger
Better question, why was over 200 years of white slavery in America erased from history?
Blacks are no more victims of slavery than whites are.
Blacks are no more victims of slavery than whites are.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:16 pm to SaintsTiger
Even after 1865, the typical black man in any part of the US had no real rights until the 1960s. The idea that the Civil War was about slavery and Union soldiers were dying to free slaves is a fairy tale white Yankees tell themselves to assuage their white guilt.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:18 pm to Drizzt
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Even after 1865, the typical black man in any part of the US had no real rights until the 1960s. The idea that the Civil War was about slavery and Union soldiers were dying to free slaves is a fairy tale white Yankees tell themselves to assuage their white guilt.
For example, The 2nd KKK revival in the 1920s had a lot of traction in the Midwest.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:18 pm to SaintsTiger
Whatever. The northern states were overwhelmingly anti-slave.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:20 pm to SaintsTiger
So looking back at our history was human bondage a good thing in your view?
WWJD?
WWJD?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:29 pm to VOR
quote:
Whatever. The northern states were overwhelmingly anti-slave.
They were anti slave in the sense that the labor class at the time didn’t want to compete with zero-cost labor.
Many northern states had laws preventing blacks from even having a residence.
The last thing they wanted was free blacks coming north to lower wages.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:34 pm to SaintsTiger
Ever think how ironic it is to draft men to fight a war about slavery?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:35 pm to SaintsTiger
Civil war was 150 years ago. Nobody gaf about that shite. Get with it, dude.
Also, tldr.
Also, tldr.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:36 pm to Wire Road 2
Irony of ironies.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:37 pm to VOR
quote:
Whatever. The northern states were overwhelmingly anti-slave.
Whatever, the only reason for that is that they couldn't use them.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:38 pm to Wire Road 2
Morill Tax, tariff of abominations. Study it. Then you’ll know why the civil war happened
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:39 pm to SaintsTiger
It wasn’t about slavery though the north pushed this agenda heavily. The south was gaining in industrial strength and were starting to buy and sell goods with other countries. It would have furthered the divide between the north and south. It was a money grab.
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