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The real hidden history of the blood thirsty spread of Islam in this world
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:29 am
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:29 am
In this piece, Winston Marshall interviews noted historian and author Raymond Ibrahim on the real truth behind the spread of Islam, and it is truly eye opening how people’s perceptions have been shaped through pure ignorance on what are Islamic territories, and what are Christian, when the truth is that they were all predominantly Christian, but became strongholds only at the tip of the sword of Islam through bloody conquest. This in spite of the fact of how people love to portray the spread of Islam as some organic thing that took place in belief. It has never been anything but spread by the sword, and people’s adherence to it by the same sword. Fear, violence, rape and enslavement are it’s true pillars, and there is NO coexistence with that, but obviously the west has still not learned the lessons, especially in Europe who’ve actually invited them in to take over again.
For some background on Raymond Ibrahim, he is a Coptic Christian from Egypt originally, extremely well versed in Arabic and the history behind all of this given his background and studies. Nobody is covering this, not in academia, in our history books, or in the media, and to our own peril.
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:36 am to Mike da Tigah
Islam sucks.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:39 am to Mike da Tigah
I mean they were made Roman through bloody conquest in the name of pagan gods like Jupiter and Mars.
Then Rome went Christian and you end up with the footprint he references prior to the split and shattering of the Roman Empire.
Then Rome went Christian and you end up with the footprint he references prior to the split and shattering of the Roman Empire.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:40 am to Mike da Tigah
Coptic Christians might know better than anybody about Islamic oppression and violence.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:41 am to tide06
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I mean they were made Roman through bloody conquest in the name of pagan gods like Jupiter and Mars.
Who was?
The celts yes.
Egypt was semi bloodless.
Arabs never part of Rome.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:45 am to Narax
France? Yes
Germany? Yes
Spain? Yes
N Africa? Yes
Germany? Yes
Spain? Yes
N Africa? Yes
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:47 am to tide06
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tide06
You’re dumb. OP is too.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:48 am to tide06
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France? Yes
Political campaign by Julius Caesar
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Germany? Yes
Failed
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Spain? Yes
War with Carthage that was ravaging Italy at the time.
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N Africa? Yes
The Carthaginian war was not religious.
The Romans were very passively religious.
They accepted the gods of the areas they conquered.
Religious wars started later
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:51 am to Mike da Tigah
All the screaming about “white colonizers” while Islamic Arab conquest and colonialism gets a free pass.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:53 am to Narax
I’m not arguing they conquered as a religious thing.
I’m saying they conquered because they wanted to conquer and at the time they did they worshipped Jupiter and Mars not Christ.
And everyone of the regions I listed was taken with at least some battles, while the Germanic tribes were only pushed back and at times just beyond the Rhine.
I’m saying they conquered because they wanted to conquer and at the time they did they worshipped Jupiter and Mars not Christ.
And everyone of the regions I listed was taken with at least some battles, while the Germanic tribes were only pushed back and at times just beyond the Rhine.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:55 am to Mo Jeaux
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You’re dumb. OP is too.
Crushing it with the contributions this morning, enjoy your coffee haha.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 6:56 am to Mike da Tigah
It's never been really hidden.
Islam IS the Great Satan they always speak of. Not the West.
Islam IS the Great Satan they always speak of. Not the West.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:04 am to tide06
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I’m not arguing they conquered as a religious thing.
So the Arabs were different.
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I’m saying they conquered because they wanted to conquer and at the time they did they worshipped Jupiter and Mars not Christ.
They worshiped pretty much anything.
Jupiter and Mars were Greek God's the Romans adopted.
Some historians have called Rome's conquest a never ending series of defensive wars to preserve Rome's safety.
Of course that was the republic era.
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And everyone of the regions I listed was taken with at least some battles, while the Germanic tribes were only pushed back and at times just beyond the Rhine
Yes but what does that have to do with Islam being a specifically nasty religious war causing religion?
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:33 am to Lightning
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All the screaming about “white colonizers” while Islamic Arab conquest and colonialism gets a free pass.
I’ve never quite understood the blatant double standard of weak minded westerners who blast Christendom for the crusades, yet hide from the truth of how Islam took over what were former Christian territories, the reasoning behind the crusades in the first place, and yet never once condemning that. The only rational explanation for it I suppose has to be driven driven by pure unadulterated fear. Why else would you maintain such blatant hypocrisy in yourself and believing lies, even at your own peril if it wasn’t out of outright fear?
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:35 am to Narax
They made the claim that the lands that are now Islamic or were during the crusades were Christian at one point and that’s true.
My point is that they were something else before that regardless of whether they were conquered “in the name of ____” or as was much more likely the case just because some leader had the strength and ambition to take it for themselves.
And back then (and to some extent today) when someone conquered you the women were getting raped, the men killed and the children sold off as slaves.
So the OP claim that these lands were Christian for a time is true, but they were also many things before that just like the fallacy that the Aztecs had always owned Mexico or the Comanche their lands out west.
It’s just natural law with gods and pretexts to justify the strong taking from the weak.
My point is that they were something else before that regardless of whether they were conquered “in the name of ____” or as was much more likely the case just because some leader had the strength and ambition to take it for themselves.
And back then (and to some extent today) when someone conquered you the women were getting raped, the men killed and the children sold off as slaves.
So the OP claim that these lands were Christian for a time is true, but they were also many things before that just like the fallacy that the Aztecs had always owned Mexico or the Comanche their lands out west.
It’s just natural law with gods and pretexts to justify the strong taking from the weak.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:46 am to tide06
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So the OP claim that these lands were Christian for a time is true, but they were also many things before that just like the fallacy that the Aztecs had always owned Mexico or the Comanche their lands out west.
It’s just natural law with gods and pretexts to justify the strong taking from the weak.
The enormous difference in between the manner in which Christianity spreads and Islam spreads cannot be understated. While one can only become a Christian by willfully accepting Jesus Christ of their own free will, Islam demands adherence in spite of one’s own free will. While one salvation is a free gift offered mankind because of the life and actions of the Son of God, the other is only guaranteed a paradise if one kills an unbeliever. These have never been two sides of the same coin of religion, but the difference between light and darkness, completely at odds with one another because it is a spiritual war between God and Satan for the souls of mankind.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:59 am to Mike da Tigah
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The enormous difference in between the manner in which Christianity spreads and Islam spreads cannot be understated. While one can only become a Christian by willfully accepting Jesus Christ of their own free will, Islam demands adherence in spite of one’s own free will.
Today? Yes, you are absolutely correct. Christianity is a religion of peace and Islam a religion of violent expansion.
During the periods referenced by the OP? Absolutely not.
Ask the Lithuanian and Prussian pagans if they were given a choice whether to convert or not.
Or check into what happened to those who refused to practice Christianity during the medieval period in Europe. Hell if you even believed in something other than the orthodox Christian faith in that area you could be expelled or outright burned at the stake.
The Jews for example were barely tolerated and were expelled during various periods either peacefully or as part of violent pogroms as localities and rulers who often had debts to Jews saw fit with the justification that they were “Christ killers” and had no inalienable rights as such.
It was a violent and complicated time where faith was something held at a completely different level of adherence than it is today.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:02 am to Mike da Tigah
For the next time some muslim a-hole tries to talk to you about 'The Crusades.'
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:05 am to Mo Jeaux
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You’re dumb. OP is too.
Better dumb than being a fig.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:06 am to theballguy
A fig?
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