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Any issues with a man in 40's taking creatine?

Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:08 am
Posted by SmogkDeizKnutz
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:08 am
I take protien as the only supplement now. But thinking of adding creatine.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49400 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:12 am to
No, creatine is natural. Take it daily and drink lots of water
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:16 am to
no, its great for you, but you need more than 5g, more like 10-20g. but its one of the best health supplements you can take, even outside of any performance increases
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43177 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:27 am to
Destroys my stomach. Going to try capsules next to see if that makes any difference.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:50 am to
did you try creapure mono? if so try a different form but creapure usually fixes this. did for me
Posted by LUS Tiger in FL
TrampaBay
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:36 am to
There is also gummies...
I use powder as well...

Cuz 777 is the man, I also have my 15 yo daughter using as she ply sports
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:19 am to
my kids have testing this week and i am having them take 20g for the middle schoolers and 5g for my youngest who is 9 and only 65 lbs

funny story....my 6th grader thought it would be cool to try and dry shoot it this morning, he put it in his mouth and immediately coughed and look like someone through a pound of chalk powder in the air

started gagging and spitting in the sink......his brothers about fell out their chairs they were laughing so hard.

boy been watching too much youtube

lesson learned
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:31 am to
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did you try creapure mono?



Yep.


quote:

if so try a different form but creapure usually fixes this.



Will do.
Posted by CheesyF
Member since May 2017
443 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:32 am to
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more like 10-20g


everyone or just this guy? I thought loading was stupid therefore no need to take more than the recommended 5g
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:58 am to
the new studies show 5g daily is not enough for all the performance increases and health markers. overall loading is dumb if just doing it for muscle saturation. but if you use 10-20g daily you will get better results. Despite what we thought before all the newer studies are showing results are pretty much dose dependent
Posted by BoCam2
Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
4503 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:27 am to
I'm a 51 (almost 52) yo male. Started taking creatine just a month ago. I ran a 100 mile ultramarathon this weekend... this was my 4th. After the previous 3, i could barely move for a few days after the race. Today I got up and lifted weights for an hour and feel like I could go for a long run if I wanted to. I know this anecdotal, but I'm definitely now a believer in creatine use for the aging man now.
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16649 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:14 pm to
When should I take it and how much each time?

I do crossfit at 5 am and BJJ in the evening.

For someone like myself that is busy, are gunmies or capsules a good option? If so, which ones?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 12:18 pm to
quote:


When should I take it and how much each time?

I do crossfit at 5 am and BJJ in the evening.

For someone like myself that is busy, are gunmies or capsules a good option? If so, which ones?


capsules better than gummies but just creapue creatine mono powder is best but any will work

timing and overall how much you take each time doesnt matter much. just get 10-20g daily.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4143 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 1:18 pm to
Our muscles use ATP to perform work. We store a very limited amount of ATP and quickly burn through that. We have three metabolic pathways generate the additional ATP required to perform an exercise. The phosphagen, glycolytic pathway, and the oxidative pathway. We are pretty familiar with the glycolytic pathway(muscle glycogen and carbs etc) and oxidative (fat burning) pathways. In the first moments of muscle activation before the glycolytic and oxidative energy systems fire up and get running we have the phosphagen pathway which uses phosphocreatine to reform ATP. We can generate a lot of power through this energy system but is limited by how much phosphocreatine we store in our bodies. This is where the Creatine monohydrate comes in. The body uses water to transport the creatine into your muscles so the first few weeks you take creatine you may gain a little weight in the form of additional water weight stored in the muscles. Stomach issues are associated with dehydration of the intestinal track if too much creatine is taken and not enough water is in the body to transport it to the muscles (this is where the bad constipation can come in) This water weight also has the side benefit of making your muscles feel "bigger" so some people confuse extra water mass in the muscle as muscle gain. The extra strength is from taking full use of the phosphagen energy pathway. This allows you to lift more weights longer and therefor improve your total work volume to more rapidly gain muscle. The cognitive benefits of Creatine are also measurable. The brain uses a large portion of the energy our bodies use in a given day, some say as much as 30%. Rapid energy availability to the brain via the phosphate energy pathway is believed to be the reason for the increase of cognitive functions with creatine. This shows up as increased memory recall and more rapid decision making. I've taken it for the last couple of years mainly for the cognitive benefits. I can really tell how much better my memory recall is when I am on it. I've not seen studies that say 10-20mg is more optimal. The 3-5mg a day covers most ordinary people. I have read studies that base the optimal creatine intake based on total mass. It makes sense that a larger person with more muscle mass who activates the phosphagen energy pathway more often during the day could benefit from additional Creatine. I have read a 0.1g/kg recommendation before for non-obese people. I don't recall where I read that from but that would put me at ~7.5g at my 165lbs weight.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37043 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:05 pm to
Good to know!
Can you link the studies so I can share?
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:34 pm to
single large dose improves cognitive function on sleep deprived

roughly 30g for 200lbs individual reversed effects of sleep deprivation vs placebo

this is the one that was latest i saw....ill have to search for others, gonna be a pain in my arse but ill look around

from what i have seen

-higher doses help with brain health most


- once muscle saturation is reached slight increase in muscle cross sectional area when comparing standard vs High dose....slight

- performance increases were more pronounced than muscle hypertrophy

ill look for the studies on some of it. expect more studies to come out over next year or two on high dosing

also it seems the older you are, the more pronounced the effects of higher dosing are.

for high dosing...mean seems to be around 9g for most adult males with possible benefits all the way to 30g but not linear effects


video of rhonda patrick talking about the single high dose effects on brain

LINK
This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 2:59 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:39 pm to
looks like i was wrong on high dose relationship on bone health....see yall asking questions always sends me down a rabbit hole

quote:

Currently, there are 10 human randomized placebo-controlled trials investigating creatine combined with resistance training on indices of bone health (summarized in Table 1). Results across individual studies are mixed with some studies showing a positive effect, while others found no effect. Upon closer examination of individual studies, the dose of creatine appears to be an important determinant altering the efficacy of creatine on indices of bone health. Four studies used a dose of 5 g/day of creatine with and without a loading phase (Table 1). All 4 studies were unable to enhance any markers of bone health. The remaining 6 studies used a higher relative dose of creatine (0.1 g/kg/day; ~7–9 g/day); of these studies, 5 out of 6 found at least 1 positive outcome on bone health. It is well established that 5 g/day of creatine is sufficient to saturate skeletal muscle [7]; however, recent evidence suggests that a higher dose may be superior to augment resistance training strength adaptations (particularly in lower body strength) in older adults [8]. Future research is urgently needed to examine a dose-response relationship of creatine supplementation combined with resistance training on whole body, regional changes, and potential mechanisms to confirm these findings. It is also important to note that creatine must be combined with resistance training to alter bone, reviewed by Forbes et al. [9]. For example, Sales et al. [10] conducted a large 2-year longitudinal trial with creatine (3 g/day) without an exercise intervention and found no effect on bone.


LINK

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 2:51 pm to
LINK

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Increasing whole-body lean tissue mass and strength is fundamental for mitigating sarcopenia and associated conditions of osteoporosis and physical frailty [3]. Similar to previous meta-analyses [9,32], our results showed that creatine supplementation and resistance training increases measures of lean tissue mass and strength in older adults vs. placebo. However, unique and important results from our sub-analyses indicate that a creatine-loading phase is important for older adults wanting to improve muscle strength. In addition to a creatine-loading phase, a lower daily dosage of creatine (=5 g) appears sufficient to improve upper-body strength. However, a higher daily dosage of creatine (>5 g) after the loading phase is needed to increase lower-body strength. Regarding the effects of creatine ingestion frequency, creatine supplementation only on resistance training days significantly increased measures of lean tissue mass and strength compared to placebo.



what this meta did was also look at the data when the studies using a loading phase were removed and found

quote:

However, when studies involving a creatine-loading phase were excluded from the analyses, creatine had no greater effect on chest press or leg press strength vs. placebo.


showing that higher doses were actually needed.



ill keep searching for some others too. and again most of what im talking about is not performance or hypertrophy related but certainly they are improved by higher dosing too. Im am speaking more along brain health, recovery from concussions, bone health, recovery from sleep deprivation, vascular function, mood etc

rhonda patrick and others have spoke some about these things too.


here is interview where more plates, more dates talks about it
LINK

This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 2:58 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:05 pm to
video of Rhonda Patrick talking about this
LINK

quote:

A daily dose of 10 grams of creatine may do more than boost strength—it doubles brain creatine levels compared to lower doses of 2 or 4 grams.

Neuroimaging studies show that this higher dose increases high-energy phosphates in the gray matter, white matter, and thalamus—areas critical for mood, memory, and cognitive performance—in people with treatment-resistant depression. This translates to improved mitochondrial function, suggesting creatine’s potential as a metabolic support for the brain.

According to
@darrencandow
, once muscle creatine stores are saturated (which happens at 5 grams per day), extra creatine may “spill over” to other tissues—including the brain, bones, and immune system—where it can deliver additional health and cognitive benefits.

The bottom line? 5 grams might be the baseline—but 10 grams could unlock the full-body potential of creatine.



quote:

Research comparing doses shows that 10 grams daily doubles brain creatine content compared to lower amounts—especially in critical brain regions linked to memory and cognition

While 5 grams may be sufficient for muscle benefits, it's likely inadequate for fully unlocking creatine’s brain-boosting potential

During periods of stress—like sleep deprivation, jet lag, or intense mental demands—upping your dose to 10 grams (or even higher) ensures your brain gets the support it needs most


from Rhonda:
quote:

A daily dose of 10 grams of creatine may do more than boost strength—it doubles brain creatine levels compared to lower doses of 2 or 4 grams.

Neuroimaging studies show that this higher dose increases high-energy phosphates in the gray matter, white matter, and thalamus—areas critical for mood, memory, and cognitive performance—in people with treatment-resistant depression. This translates to improved mitochondrial function, suggesting creatine’s potential as a metabolic support for the brain.


this is seen from the brain scans in the some of the latest studies but especially in the sleep deprivation studies.



LINK
study showing that loading phase increased DHT in males by 56% which fell to only 40% above baseline after only 14 days of maintenance.

20g seems to be sweet spot on increasing DHT. I know some of yall worried about hair so may not be what you want but if not worried about it DHT is antiaging imo.
This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 3:08 pm
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
9003 posts
Posted on 4/7/25 at 3:43 pm to
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Destroys my stomach


Somewhere around 2017 I found a podcast with one of the original creatine researchers.

Game changer for me was to make as a HOT beverage. Blends the creatine and no more disaster pants.

Mug: Creatine and 4oz hot water. Microwave for 45 sec.

Add something with flavor.

Slam.
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