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Liberal Talking Point - There aren't enough workers now
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:32 pm
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I understand he created tariffs to bring manufacturing back to the U.S but who is going to work in the factories they can't find people to show up on time and actually work at least 40 hrs now.
Alright, so now the big thing is that Trump wants to create all of these jobs but companies won't be able to find workers like before.
That sounds pretty reasonable considering that businesses were paying like $16/hr for a job that should have easily been worth $30/hr. That's why it was hard to find help.
We were hiring our installers $22/hr - During Trump's term, we got insanely busy and desperately needed more employees.... the $23/hr wasn't cutting it anymore so we slowly bumped the pay rate up a couple of dollars/hours each week while trying to hire. Once we hit the $30/hr threshold, we had about 50 people immediately apply for the positions.
Yea, so when companies are trying to hire Americans at Slave hourly rate pay - you are not going to get the help and workers you need.
If a company decides to pay a little... there are PLENTY of workers out there so this argument is dumb as frick.
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Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:33 pm to FLTech
UK Prime minister & now this?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:34 pm to FLTech
Then companies will have to import workers legally or train some, the way it always should be. This keeps wages from stagnating.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:39 pm to LSUSkip
All it really takes is one competitor to raise their pay rate
If there is Company A, B, C, D in the same area trying to hire
Company A - $18/hr
Company B - $22/hr
Company C - $30/hr
Company D - $16/hr
If I came on board to do all of the hiring and needed for a company and had to hit hiring numbers, I am going with Company C because I won't have to do much work to get people into the door wanting that job.
When this happens... Companies A, B and D will bitch and moan that they miss the Mexicans and they can't find anyone to hire.
If there is Company A, B, C, D in the same area trying to hire
Company A - $18/hr
Company B - $22/hr
Company C - $30/hr
Company D - $16/hr
If I came on board to do all of the hiring and needed for a company and had to hit hiring numbers, I am going with Company C because I won't have to do much work to get people into the door wanting that job.
When this happens... Companies A, B and D will bitch and moan that they miss the Mexicans and they can't find anyone to hire.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:40 pm to FLTech
Drastically cut welfare and food stamps. Don't give money to able bodied, able minded, lazy parasites. Problem solved
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:41 pm to FLTech
Cut welfare to shreds. Give people the choice to work or starve and people will work.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 9:54 pm to GaryGator
I have a very strong feeling that Trump and his team will slowly ease into eliminating the handouts. If they were to do this right now, Trump and Republicans would be done no matter how weird, evil and strange the Democrat party acts
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:06 pm to FLTech
They're building entire multi family luxury apartments to accommodate for the people coming in for manufacturing here in Houston.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:15 pm to FLTech
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considering that businesses were paying like $16/hr for a job that should have easily been worth $30/hr.
Which jobs are you talking about and what is the basis for your valuation of those jobs?
Because if you're talking about anything that was paying $16 an hour, I'll eat my hat if you can show any economic metric that would back up those jobs "easily being worth" $30 an hour.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:24 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Cut welfare to shreds. Give people the choice to work or starve and people will work.
They may also go back to assassinating and bombing the property of the wealthy and influential like before the labor peace with capital fleshed out over the 1930s to early 1950s.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:26 pm to FLTech
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Alright, so now the big thing is that Trump wants to create all of these jobs but companies won't be able to find workers like before.
Oh, so then we can get rid of welfare programs, right?
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:27 pm to FLTech
Hasn’t doge let go of 40,000 ppl? They can get back to putting fries in the bag.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 10:31 pm to FLTech
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Yea, so when companies are trying to hire Americans at Slave hourly rate pay - you are not going to get the help and workers you need.
What you just described is exactly why manufacturing is not going to come flooding back into America and why the natural economic pressure is going to remain such that it continues to push it out of the country. You might get some to come back in, but it's going to take a lot of artificial pressure to make it happen and it's not going to go smoothly when it does.
For some reason people think companies set wages based on "greed" or "what employees deserve" or "a living wage" or some other such nonsense.
Wages follow the same economic rules as everything else. Supply and demand with substitute resources as the caveat.
America co-exists on this planet with countries whose economies are far less developed than ours, whose governments impose far fewer restrictions and regulations, and whose costs of real estate and construction are far lower.
Unless you absolutely force them to not take advantage of those...well...advantages, they're going to if they can. And the "slave labor" pablum is so ignorant that I'm already very tired of reading it here. $8 an hour in China allows someone to live like someone making $30 an hour here.
And if you do force the companies back here and they do have to pay $30 an hour for labor instead of $8 an hour AND the extra cost of real estate, regulations, FICA taxes, Workers Comp Insurance, construction, etc., then the products you make are going to be significantly more expensive.
Once that happens to enough products, the person who wouldn't get off the couch to come to work for $16 an hour won't get off the couch to come to work for $30 an hour, because all that's happened is that the cost of living curve has shifted upward to match the wages. Now they want $50 an hour to show up.
So you've accomplished nothing but exponentially accelerated inflation.
This post was edited on 4/5/25 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 4/5/25 at 11:09 pm to wackatimesthree
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And if you do force the companies back here and they do have to pay $30 an hour for labor instead of $8 an hour AND the extra cost of real estate, regulations, FICA taxes, Workers Comp Insurance, construction, etc., then the products you make are going to be significantly more expensive.
And Trump wants to reduce regulations to make it cheaper. Add in that new markets are opening thanks to Trump's negotiations and it becomes more profitable. You're only looking at a part of the plan.
Trump's moving on several fronts to bring back the mfg that we can and work out favorable trade deals for the rest. Thankfully, our president is able to see the big picture unlike his rabid detractors who've spent years saying our economic system was heading for disaster, but now that Trump wants to fix it, everything is peachy and working according to the natural order of free market economics.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:17 am to TenWheelsForJesus
I don't think too many gang bangers were working not unless the dems consider raping and murdering work.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:30 am to FLTech
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If a company decides to pay a little... there are PLENTY of workers out there so this argument is dumb as frick.
Thus raising the price of goods causing inflation
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:46 am to FLTech
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That sounds pretty reasonable considering that businesses were paying like $16/hr for a job that should have easily been worth $30/hr
What makes them.worth $30?.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:56 am to FLTech
We're essentially at full employment and have been for years. If a massive amount of new jobs are created then there will be a shortage in the work force. This isn't a leftist talking point. It's an obvious fact. Maybe it's time to stop thinking of everything as left vs right.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:35 am to Powerman
Thats simply not true Powerman.
Where do you think 30 million illegals got jobs if we have been at full employment?
Tech is right, there are plenty of jobs for decent wages.
There is this fallacy that illegals come to America and work for a bowl of beans and rice. The reason they get day jobs.....no fica, no work comp, no unemployment, no legal issues, no paperwork.
And yes, doing away with millions on long term disability who have no business being there would fill the gap, and save 100s of billions.
Where do you think 30 million illegals got jobs if we have been at full employment?
Tech is right, there are plenty of jobs for decent wages.
There is this fallacy that illegals come to America and work for a bowl of beans and rice. The reason they get day jobs.....no fica, no work comp, no unemployment, no legal issues, no paperwork.
And yes, doing away with millions on long term disability who have no business being there would fill the gap, and save 100s of billions.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 6:37 am to trinidadtiger
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Where do you think 30 million illegals got jobs if we have been at full employment?
Do you know what full employment is considered to be? Hint, we are well below it and have been except for 2020.
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