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The opening to Smells Like Teen Spirit is the same as More Than a Feeling.

Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:19 pm
Posted by Rex Feral
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:19 pm
I never knew this.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 6:29 pm to
There are only so many chords and notes. Most songs use the same 3 or 4 chords . Any combination of G C D equals about a billion songs,
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:16 pm to
The drum fill to open the song copied Burn Rubber by The Gap Band or was it Cities in Dust by Siouxsie and Banshees:



Two great songs.

Posted by 14&Counting
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 8:29 pm to
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 9:44 pm to
Nirvana acknowledged so. The question they never answered was were they paying homage or making fun of Boston. More Than a Feeling was such a big commercial hit and Nirvana was trying to be anti-commercial. Of course they found out its tough to have hit songs and be anti making money.
Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 3/25/25 at 10:33 pm to
Posted by johnqpublic
Right here
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 4:07 am to
Except it isnt. There is some similarity between the rhythm of the chord changes but the chords aren’t the same. In addition MTAF is in Major and SLTS is in minor.

They are in different keys but that is irrelevant. Using traditional chord numbers we can see that only the first two chords are the same. (And if going from a I to a IV is “the same” likely more than half the songs of the rock era are “the same”.

MTAF: I IV vi V (G C e D)

SLTS: I IV bIII bVI (G C Bb Eb) I used capital Roman numerals as the chords are power chords and the key is really only informed by the harmonic progression and melody. SLTS is in F minor but I transposed the chords to G for comparison.

There is a tritone difference between the third chord in each progression and a half step difference between the fourths chords.

Was Kurt inspired by MTAF, he seems to have indicated that is the case. The chordal rhythm indicates this is likely, but the chords aren’t the same.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:45 am to
quote:

johnqpublic


Someone has been to school.
Posted by Dav
Dhan
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 2:27 pm to


This has been acknowledged by the band
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 3:53 pm to
You can sing the entiriety of Hey Fightin' Tigers to BJ Thomas's Somebody done somebody wrong song.

It is chord change for chord change, the same.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:08 pm to
quote:

This has been acknowledged by the band
and a jealous Billy Corgan
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 7:43 pm to
quote:


There are only so many chords and notes. Most songs use the same 3 or 4 chords . Any combination of G C D equals about a billion songs,
I always wondered about how that worked with lawsuits and such. At this point, every artist could sue another artist for taking "their sound".
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 8:30 pm to
quote:

SLTS: I IV bIII bVI (G C Bb Eb) I used capital Roman numerals as the chords are power chords and the key is really only informed by the harmonic progression and melody. SLTS is in F minor but I transposed the chords to G for comparison.

There is a tritone difference between the third chord in each progression and a half step difference between the fourths chords


Posted by johnqpublic
Right here
Member since Oct 2017
732 posts
Posted on 3/26/25 at 11:42 pm to
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I always wondered about how that worked with lawsuits and such. At this point, every artist could sue another artist for taking "their sound".


This is essentially the basis of the "Blurred Lines" lawsuit filed by the estate of Marvin Gaye. The estate, in response to a suit filed by Williams and Thicke, filed a counter-suit "accusing the song's authors of copying the "feel" and "sound" of "Got to Give It Up". They won and received $5.3M in damages and had Gaye's name added to the songwriting credits.

The irony that this case blurred many lines was not lost on songwriters. In the past, it was virtually impossible to win a suit because of a similar, or same, chord progression. (although that changed when Radiohead was sued by Albert Hammond and Mike Hazlewood for the chords to "Creep" being almost precisely the same as "The Air That I Breathe" by The Hollies. The only difference was an added 7th on the B chord in The Hollies song". This got even weirder when Radiohead then sued Lana Del Rey for "Get Free" but Albert Hammond and Mike Hazlewood didn't...)

People seem to assume that there is some specific metric for infringement suits. It isn't like speeding 85 in a 60. The outcomes have a lot of subjectivity and legal skill. There are two basic things to be shown; that the defendant's work is "substantially similar" and that the defendant had access to hearing the plaintiff's work. This has to be proven to a jury (most commonly) of (usually) musically uneducated people. So they may well be dazzled by a witness or attorney. Or one side is just better at making their argument. Yes, both sides will bring in experts and musicologists but like sports, it often comes down to who performs better during the "game". There is no "you can legally use 4 seconds of a work without issue", it always comes down to who thinks they've been aggrieved and if they believe it is worth the time and expense to pursue litigation.
Posted by rileytiger
Surfing The Gulf of America
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:43 am to
This reminded me of something...



Totally lied about ripping off David Bowie/Queen.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
30277 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:19 am to
*hat tip
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