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Director of FBI just named Acting Director of ATF

Posted on 2/22/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 3:57 pm
Trump 45/47 named Kash Patel as the acting director of the ATF.
One person leading both agencies has never happened before.
I'd like discussion on the pros and cons about this.
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
5538 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 3:59 pm to
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I'd like discussion on the pros and cons about this.


LOL. You will get that pos sfp in here...thanks a lot
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
12234 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 3:59 pm to
Sounds temporary until they can get someone permanent to replace the piece of shite recently removed as the director of ATF.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
10709 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:00 pm to
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You will get that pos sfp in here...thanks a lot

When he inevitably shows up, everyone just ignore him. He hates that more than being proven wrong.

Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2166 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:00 pm to
Why do we need both agencies?
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
3253 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:01 pm to
Do we need ATF? Fold it into FBI.
Posted by Zahrim
McCamey Texas
Member since Mar 2009
7860 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:01 pm to
fold atf into fbi
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:02 pm to
I thought the emoluments clauses would prevent this but they don't. They are not applicable here.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
4465 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:03 pm to
He is there to reform the fbi. He is over the atf in the same capacity as McMahon is for the DOE. The atf will be nuked as it is corrupt and not needed.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 4:06 pm
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
36141 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:03 pm to
Good! Maybe it won't take so long to get background checks done now.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24791 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:03 pm to
Pro's. Find a badass and give him more things to fix.
Posted by Barbados
Member since Nov 2024
1707 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:04 pm to
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Good! Maybe it won't take so long to get background checks done now.


Speed up all the e forms to 5 minutes

Rewrite findings to expand gun rights

That can be done immediately
Posted by Herschal
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2011
1945 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:04 pm to
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pros


Eliminate redundancy.

quote:

cons


None, unless you are a communist and pretend the ATF is actually a useful service for Americans.
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
Member since Aug 2005
3688 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:12 pm to
If it is temporary until someone else who is competent can fill the position, I'm fine with it. Long term, I think Kash needs to focus on FBI and not split time between the two.

Some have suggested fold ATF into FBI. Not sure where I stand on that particular issue. I guess that would depend on what "their" individual mission statements are and if there is currently a lot of overlap.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:12 pm to
If he disbands AFT, it's a pro. If he doesn't, it's a con.
Posted by Wolfwireless
Member since Aug 2024
4783 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:15 pm to
At the best end of the spectrum, both agencies are in need of massive reform. And extreme purging.

At the worst end of the spectrum, both agencies need burned to the ground and replaced.

I myself would prefer to see two soldiers fighting that fight, rather than one.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20815 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:17 pm to
It’s not necessary to have the two agencies, but there should be a specialized unit within the FBI who are experts in firearms and explosives (separately or together).

The Tobacco and Alcohol parts can be handled by regular FBI agents as needed.

The only tobacco cases I saw over a career were just one or two terror cells and mafia types who were making a side hustle by selling cigarettes with fake tax stamps.

I saw no federal alcohol cases come through New Orleans in 25+ years.
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 4:18 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16546 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:17 pm to
ATF is no longer a going concern.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44032 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

If he disbands AFT, it's a pro. If he doesn't, it's a con.


Repeal the NFA. We need common sense gun control in this country.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16546 posts
Posted on 2/22/25 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Speed up all the e forms to 5 minutes Rewrite findings to expand gun rights That can be done immediately

“Is John Smith DOB 1/1/1950 SSN 123456789” a felon, have a restraining order against him or on a psychiatric hold? If no John Smith gets whatever firearm he wants right now.
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