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Harper and Bailey - Rutgers Basketball
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:52 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:52 am
I'm hoping someone could shed some light on this. Admittedly, I don't follow Rutgers and have only seen limited highlights of Bailey and Harper. But it's pretty clear that they are the consensus 2nd and 3rd picks in the upcoming draft. So how have they only managed a 12-14 record with two of the best college players in the country? Is the rest of the roster that bad? Poor coaching? No defense? What's the story here?
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:02 am to sportsfan
Rest of the roster is really bad. Coaching isn’t great. Also both guys are true freshman. With NIL, it’s very common to have teams stacked with upper classman. Auburns average age for their starters is 23, and their best player is 25. It’s much harder to compete with young teams now because NIL allows you to have a very old and experienced roster. Even having 2 one and done freshman isn’t enough when you’re playing teams who are essentially pro team in college jerseys.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:27 am to saintslsupels
If these guys played at Duke, they would be winning. If they play at Rutgers, they are going to lose more than they win. It’s really not at all surprising or shocking.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:29 am to sportsfan
College isn't like the NBA and is more team oriented when it comes to success.
If you look at a lot top prospects this year, there's a lot of players who are currently on a bubble team that may not make the tournament this year. I can't put that all on them especially as freshman players.
If you look at a lot top prospects this year, there's a lot of players who are currently on a bubble team that may not make the tournament this year. I can't put that all on them especially as freshman players.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:03 am to saintslsupels
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Even having 2 one and done freshman isn’t enough when you’re playing teams who are essentially pro team in college jerseys.
Carmelo and McNamara were freshman that led Syracuse to a national championship. They had 1 senior on the team that played, and no juniors that contributed.
You can find examples of nba players that didn't make the tourney, but most of those guys were the only good player on their team, like Anthony Edwards. These are 2 supposedly top 3 picks on the same team, and they have a 5-10 Big Ten record. The two of them average 5 assists between them, and no one else on the team averages more than 7 ppg.
Having 2 nba ready guys, even if they are freshman, should be better you would think. Maybe their coach really is pretty bad.
Freshman Markelle Fultz was playing with Thybulle and another top 100 guy who were both sophmores and they went 2-16 in the PAC10. And Fultz turned into a really great NBA player
Trae Young played with a bunch of nobodies at OU, taking over a 5-13 team and got them to the tourney by himself.
People point out Ben Simmons, but he was playing with Antonio Blakeney who spent a short time in the league, and that team still went 11-7 in the SEC and went 2-2 against top 10 teams, with one of the losses to #1 OU by 2, all with a bad coach.
I get these 2 cats might have a bad coach and not much help roster wise, but just seems like their team woudl be better just b/c of them.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:10 am to TeddyPadillac
Why did they go to Rutgers to begin with? Money?
I am really wary of bailey based on the limited info I’ve read about him. Kinda sounds like cam Thomas to me.
If we don’t get Flagg I kind of want one of those foreign guys from Illinois or byu or maybe the Baylor kid
I am really wary of bailey based on the limited info I’ve read about him. Kinda sounds like cam Thomas to me.
If we don’t get Flagg I kind of want one of those foreign guys from Illinois or byu or maybe the Baylor kid
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:17 am to TeddyPadillac
That Syracuse program was already good though with a good mix of players who they've developed. They also had a sophmore Hakim Warrick who played a big role on that championship team.
Rutgers has never been a good program in the BIG TEN.
Rutgers has never been a good program in the BIG TEN.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:27 am to supe12sta12z
Boeheim is an all time great coach too. I don’t even know Rutgers coach is
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:32 am to sportsfan
Roster is horrible to go along with Harper being injured and sick for a few games
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:32 am to supe12sta12z
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That Syracuse program was already good though with a good mix of players who they've developed.
You mean the team that missed the tourney in 2002, added Carmelo and McNamara and then won the title?
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Rutgers has never been a good program in the BIG TEN.
I agree, same with UGA with Edwards.
Explain Trae Young and OU going from 5-13 to the tourney with no help, or Markelle Fultz going 2-16 in the PAC10?
It's just not normal for top picks to be on really bad teams, and then be really successful nba players.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:38 am to TeddyPadillac
Good programs have down years too. That's the nature of the game.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:41 am to TeddyPadillac
OU was a good program under Kuger. And the year Young was there they were 18-14 and got in. I'm sure there were more deserving teams that year.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 11:47 am to TeddyPadillac
That Washington program wasnt good. They have several NBA players come through and didnt have much success there. Dejounte Murray and Marquese Chriss were there the year before and didn't make the tournament as well.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 12:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can find examples of nba players that didn't make the tourney, but most of those guys were the only good player on their team, like Anthony Edwards. These are 2 supposedly top 3 picks on the same team, and they have a 5-10 Big Ten record. The two of them average 5 assists between them, and no one else on the team averages more than 7 ppg.
I don't follow this at all, but several weeks back I did see someone on twitter point out the on off numbers make Harper look like a win impacting stud and Bailey look pretty neutral. So even if they are consensus #2 and #3, they may be in separate tiers.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:16 pm to TigerinATL
Let’s not forget, this is a very small sample size in which Harper had the flu, and also missed games due to a high ankle sprain.
First game back he went 28, 6, 5 and 4 in a win over #23 Illinois. Earlier in the year he went 36, 6 and 6 and that only got them a 1 point overtime win against ND. He scored 37 in the very next game, and his team still lost by five to Bama. They play a tough schedule and there’s only so much he can do.
First game back he went 28, 6, 5 and 4 in a win over #23 Illinois. Earlier in the year he went 36, 6 and 6 and that only got them a 1 point overtime win against ND. He scored 37 in the very next game, and his team still lost by five to Bama. They play a tough schedule and there’s only so much he can do.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:09 pm to sportsfan
How did LSU have a middling record with the consensus number 1, Ben Simmons, playing for them?
It’s a team sport and 1-2 guys can’t necessarily fix five positions and backup depth by themselves.
It’s a team sport and 1-2 guys can’t necessarily fix five positions and backup depth by themselves.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:54 pm to teke184
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How did LSU have a middling record with the consensus number 1, Ben Simmons, playing for them?
11-7 in the SEC, 2-2 against top 10 teams with a loss by 2 to the #1 team is middling?
They collapsed down the stretch of the season losing 5 of the last 8, and then getting embarressed in the SECT and all that coincided with their senior Keith Hornsby getting hurt for the remainder of the season.
They weren't 2-16 like Fultz and Washinton, or what looks like will be 6-14 like Rutgers.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
Dude it's apples and oranges pre nil & transfer rules and today. Fultz got the yips and lost all confidence in his shot. Simmons gad a similar mental block, where he was too scared to attempt a 3 for fear of failure. Those guys are outliers.
I don't think college team success indicates much of anything. Try your critique in reverse: Tyler Hansbrough would be Amare Stoudemire. These guys are drafted on how their skills will project. They are like 18-19 yrs old.
I think they are both going to be good players. Harper's lack of athleticism scares me a little. Everyone is overthinking it with Bailey. He is 6-10" explosive and can shoot. Look what Trey is doing.
I don't think college team success indicates much of anything. Try your critique in reverse: Tyler Hansbrough would be Amare Stoudemire. These guys are drafted on how their skills will project. They are like 18-19 yrs old.
I think they are both going to be good players. Harper's lack of athleticism scares me a little. Everyone is overthinking it with Bailey. He is 6-10" explosive and can shoot. Look what Trey is doing.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:38 am to six4lsu
Team around them is terrible and so is their coach.
Harper and Ace are still firmly 2 and 3 for me.
I really want Harper if we don’t land Flagg. He’s the offensive engine lead guard that this team has been missing
Harper and Ace are still firmly 2 and 3 for me.
I really want Harper if we don’t land Flagg. He’s the offensive engine lead guard that this team has been missing
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