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Help me out with the definition of a sac bunt.

Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:36 pm
If the batter approaches the plate to bunt, bunts and advances the runner AND the batter is safe at first, does that count in the “sac bunt” category?

I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.

But I have to tell you, if I have a batter with .250 batting average but is very good a laying down a bunt with a higher than .250 average I’m telling him to bunt.
Posted by mjax57
Vinings, GA
Member since Mar 2012
3912 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:37 pm to
I’m scoring that a single
Posted by The Ostrich
Member since May 2009
2677 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:39 pm to
If he’s safe at first it’s not a sacrifice.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 2:40 pm
Posted by gar90
Member since Sep 2009
6278 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:44 pm to
If he’s safe at first then it’s an infield single.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9657 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.


shouldn’t do it all the time, but to never do it is just wrong
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9109 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:47 pm to
Sac bunt usually involves setting up early so you put the ball in play, on the ground, and preferably not right back to the pitcher. The runner is not taking off on the pitch in case it is a pop up. If it is not right back to the pitcher, or right in the plate, the runner will have time to advance.

Drag bunts are using the element of surprise against a defense that might be playing back, or just slow/ prone to throwing error
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284824 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:48 pm to
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.



outside of certain late game situations, you should never
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
5907 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:50 pm to
Can only be a 'sacrifice' if an out occurs with a runner moving up a base. It could be a hit or error, if the runner is safe bunting.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9657 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:51 pm to
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outside of certain late game situations, you should never


there are all sorts of situations that play into that decision, and not just late in a game.
Posted by MasterKnight
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
1982 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:53 pm to
The problem is listening to Moscona whether live or recorded. Do yourself a favor and don't listen to him.

A sacrifice bunt is necessary in key situations when you have a player that is somewhat prone to hitting into double plays a lot. Getting a player into scoring position with one out and batters coming to the plate that have good RBI and high batting average is ideal.
Posted by RichJ
The Land of the CoonAss
Member since Nov 2016
4090 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:55 pm to
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If he’s safe at first then it’s an infield single


Unless batter reaches on an error
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
284824 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:55 pm to
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there are all sorts of situations that play into that decision, and not just late in a game.


nope
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
63210 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:58 pm to
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.



Moscona really doesn't understand baseball. But he has a microphone and a loud mouth so he spouts off nonsense.
Posted by dukeg7213
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2023
4844 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:04 pm to
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday and he was stating that statistically you should NEVER sacrifice bunt.


Well, Moscona is a fricking moron for starters.

Here’s a scenario:
Bottom of the 9th, tied 1-1. LSU at bat
Leadoff double
Sac bunt
Runner on 3rd 1 out

Are your chances higher statistically to get that runner in from 3rd with the next 2 batters or statistically higher having to get a hit and score from 2nd?

Tell Moscona go punch air
Posted by slinger1
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2017
124 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:07 pm to
Depends on the play it could be a base hit , error , and don’t take Moscona’s word on shite
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
130745 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:11 pm to
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If the batter approaches the plate to bunt, bunts and advances the runner AND the batter is safe at first, does that count in the “sac bunt” category?
No, that would be safe by the infield fly rule...
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13178 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:11 pm to
Moscona loves to rant about how teams should never bunt. He will call it out on Twitter every time he sees it not work. He will never acknowledge when a bunt successfully works.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
84693 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:18 pm to
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday


Found your first mistake.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
34630 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:26 pm to
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Here’s a scenario: Bottom of the 9th, tied 1-1. LSU at bat Leadoff double Sac bunt Runner on 3rd 1 out Are your chances higher statistically to get that runner in from 3rd with the next 2 batters or statistically higher having to get a hit and score from 2nd? Tell Moscona go punch air



The bottom of the 9th tie game with a good bunter up and good bats behind him is literally the only scenario to do it.



Statistically you overall expected runs goes down by having a runner on 3rd with 1 out compared to a runner on 2nd with no outs.



However while your total runs expected to down the chances you that you end up with 0 runs goes down too. Therefore the only reason to do it is bottom of the 9th with bats that can bring in the runner from 3rd behind the bunter.

Any other scenario you are better off swinging away.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
21959 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:28 pm to
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I was listening to Moscona live yesterday


There's your problem.
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